[tomcatjosh]

Good point!

[jla1987]

I concur. This is a very similar situation to the Batman & Robin to Batman Begins timeframe.

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

Paramount must be somewhat nervous right now with the economy the way it is, an this movie only two months away.

[Commodore]

Originally Posted by wildone_106

This pretty much PROVES that movies made for fans DO-NOT-WORK in the sense of drawing in a mass audience. The geeks went out and saw this the 1st week, word of mouth spreads and the general audience is not getting it.
Im glad Trek is'nt trying to appease the canonista's on this.

You started this tread just to slam "the canonistas", didn't you?

[Mister2]

Watchmen blew ballz... And showed a lot of blue ballz....

[MrQ1701]

Originally Posted by wildone_106

Now imagine Im not a fan of Trek and saw a version of it that all the hardcore canonista's are calling for? It would be the same reaction, BO numbers would plummet like this ones have.

I don't believe this is necessarily true. If you bother to actually read all the threads on the subject, no "canonista" has called for more than minor tweaks in continuety and design changes. The way the bridge looks or the design of the new ship should have no effect of movie ticket sales, but it could have made fans happy if they had stuck to a more "known" tyoe design. I am not a canonite, by far, but I unnderstand the complaints from others that feel things should have been more like the original. Ultimately, this movie will succeed or fail based on whether or not it has a good story and can keep people's attention throughout it's runtime.

[sraviik]

and if you gave them all their minor tweaks then you'd have one huge fat change to the movie completely changing it. so that its no longer recognizable as the JJverse. not to mention if he starts giving to one group of canonistas then he's got to give to all of them.

[ThePhaige]

Watchmen was a strange one, had a very B quality to me. Effects didn't impress me either. The story might be a bit too convoluted for the general audience.

[Saquist]

Originally Posted by tomcatjosh

TDK?????Or Begins?

Neither.
He has to be talking about Batman Forever or Batman and Robin.
Those movies were fans service. But Jim is wrong. Fans made for movies do tend to work. Star Trek has been done for fans for a long time. From the First to the 6th Movies they were reasonably profitable. But it's when you expect fan movies to appeal to everyone at the big budget level is where they fail. They have to. The 200 million dollar budget is always wrong for fan directed movies.

[MrQ1701]

Originally Posted by sraviik

and if you gave them all their minor tweaks then you'd have one huge fat change to the movie completely changing it. so that its no longer recognizable as the JJverse. not to mention if he starts giving to one group of canonistas then he's got to give to all of them.

That's funny. I love how people use the "if I do this for you then I'll have to do it for everyone" excuse. That's all it is, an EXCUSE.

Let me set a few things straight before I continue: I have NOT prejudged this movie, nor do I wish it to fail. I am open to the changes in design and the whole "reboot" thing. I am open to more action and more sexyness for Trek. I am a fan of Star Trek: Enterprise. I say these things because there are fans, "canonites", that did NOT like ENT based on some the same complaints they have about this new movie. Although I do NOT agree with many of those complaints, I understand where they are coming from.

Many of the complaints are actually details in design, a few minor backstory "errors", and what seems to be the gradual "dumbing down" of Trek in order to make it less "nerdy".

Would it have been that hard to make an updated version of the 1701 without completely redrawing it's lines? Is it really that hard to make the bridge look "cool" without making it look like a darn I-store? "Oooo00, Ahhhhhh, look at the neat 'new' viewscreen, you can see thru it!! WOW!", (that was meant to be sarcatic). I think the fans that have complained about various aspects, what we have seen so far, have valid arguments and should NOT be blown off as nutty fans. It was NOT impossible to make things a little easier to "swallow" for the old school fans.