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Old 03-11-2009, 11:24 PM
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Default Wow. Star Trek-Phase II (New Voyages) James Cawley thinks the new Enterprise is UGLY.

I think this is wrong and what a slam after JJ Abrams gave him a cameo as a crewman in the movie. Cawley, who created NV and plays Kirk on the fan created series said it last year or in 07 after he had been given a sneak peak of the ship. It created a firestorm on the net and he had to explain himself over at in a guest article. After that Abrams recognized him on the Paramount lot and invited him to the set for his opinion of the sets, uniforms and then offered him a cameo. Cawley was delighted and so was all his fans. Now over at his site he slams the ship again in his forum. Click the link above and scroll down to post 13. I think he owes Abrams a apology because a lot of fans watch Phase 2, formally New Voyages and this could shine the ship in a negative light towards a lot of people who take Cawley serious. To me this is backstabbing

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Re: STAR TREK 11 New Enterprise
#13 on: March 10, 2009, 10:17:58 AM »
Quote I said it was ugly more than a year ago. I did not like it then, I do not like it now.

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Old 03-12-2009, 12:00 AM
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James actually got to see the new design before production even began (or around the same time I think.) He had things to say about it then. He does seem to wish the new film real well and speaks highly of J.J., etc., and even said the bridge was beautiful, but didn't like it as an Enterprise bridge. He even thinks the uniforms are perfect.
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:31 AM
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I know why he is badmouthing the ship and is bitter. After futher reading over at his sight in the forums I found that he thinks this movie will make fans not watch his project and it will fade away.

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Re: New Star Trek Trailer
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2009, 06:59:55 AM »
You may as well like it. The original continuity and time line are gone forever. With the release of this film projects like this one will soon fade away and become irrelevant.

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2009, 07:05:12 AM »

Don't understand what you're saying James when you say "projects like this one will fade away." You are not referring too Phase II are you?

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2009, 07:13:36 AM »
Yes I am referring to Phase II. It is inevitable. Our project and many other fan efforts will seem less and less important after May 9th.

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Old 03-12-2009, 01:21 AM
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I'm afraid Cawley may be involved with New Voyages and all that, but his opinion on the new ship is irrelevant to me personally. He's free to think what he likes, I don't much care about his words.
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Old 03-12-2009, 01:54 AM
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This has nothiong to do with bashing, he also said nice things about the sets and the work of JJA et al.
He does not like the ship and is free to express his opinion like anyone else.

I fail to see how the upcoming movie can do anything besides creating new interest in TOS as well as STNV/Phase II.
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:25 AM
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I have personally had a wide range of experience with STNV/STP2 since stumbling onto their project several years ago.

An ''outsider'' from start-to-finish, my ''outspoken'' nature often crossed the line there on the forums. I was regularly redacted, edited, deleted and lauded for my contributions. I always tried to moderate my passion with reason and thoughtfulness but passion sometimes carried the day. I was once banned only to be eventually re-invited by Cawley personally to ''come back.'' I was even invited to join the production team last fall. Unfortunately (perhaps fortunately) my prophetic side saw the approaching economic storm and I realized personally that this kind of indulgence and expense wasn't prudent. I wish I had been wrong but here we are and thankfully, and perhaps reluctantly, I didn't incur that expense. I'm sure it would have been a wonderful adventure.

Since then I pretty much left their forums and have ''moved on'' with only one recent post there in the last few months. I still occasionally peruse (''lurk'') there to follow things. My recent post there was actually a ''syndication'' of my ''Passing the Torch...'' post here--and it was in response to just what the starter of this thread/topic indicated about Cawley's seeming resign to STP2 (if not all Star Trek-inspired, fan-produced endeavors) becoming ''irrelevent'' as this new movie opens.

The hard simple truth is that while many of us, especially us ''first generation'' fans feel we ''own'' Star Trek in our hearts, it is a Copyrighted revenue-generating property in reality, and the true owners can do with it whatever they want--with good or bad results. Those are the facts, as hard as they may be to accept.

One must really give the powers that be (Paramount, CBS, Viacom etc.) great credit for such indulgence, patience and leeway over the decades since TOS. Fans have been given quite a bit of latitude to explore their own various fan-produced endeavors without being shut down by corporate hard-liners. I also have yet to see any criticism whatsoever coming from Paramount or CBS leveled at any of these--including STNV/P2.

Abrams himself has personally gone ''the extra mile'' and has never ever leveled any public criticism against other Star Trek projects, past, present or fan-produced. The reverse is certainly not true. Yeah, sure, some say, ''the big guys can afford to be magnanimous''--but I challenge anyone to find such a unique detente between Copyright owners and fans in ''the real world'' that matches this phenomenon.

In the end, one can't help feel some level of sympathy for Cawley. One doesn't often get to indulge one's self this way in life with one's passion. He has basically thrown his own money and life at a labor of love he doesn't even own--that has netted nothing more really than personal satisfaction--and one really good episode with ''World Enough and Time.'' I highly recommend it to any Star Trek fan of any generation. It is really well done. But everyone gets their fifteen minutes and I'm sure Cawley sees minute number fourteen ticking away with respect to his Star Trek journey. He and his ''band of brothers'' will surely cherish this adventure for the rest of their lives as they move on. Personally, I would love to see all this dedication, passion and production infrastructure channeled into something completely new and original, rather than based on something non-original.

I also feel deeply for all those involved who have likewise spent the last few years on this labor of love, spending their hard-earned money--not to mention blood, sweat and tears, precious vacation time and so on on the ''quest.'' I imagine there must be the occasional second thought in hindsight affecting some of them--thinking how it might be nice to have some of that money now.

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Old 03-12-2009, 05:30 AM
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Just my opinion, but I think Cawley has seen the end coming for some time. That's why, in my opinion, he arranged to start up the Buck Rogers project.

I hope when the time comes he doesn't leave Trek a little bitter. But, in the immortal words of Mr. Alan Jackson, "it's all right to be a little bitter."

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Old 03-12-2009, 05:47 AM
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Im sorry but I can't begin to even say how out of order he is being!

You have the opportunity to have a cameo in a Hollywood movie, raise the level of a franchise you supposedly love, be a good ambassador by representing all of the star trek fans on screen and then have the audacity to complain about the ships design especially one done by the director!

If the film was still in production (not in the can) I would have kicked him off the set! You don't complain when someone gives you the opoortunity of a lifetime, some people learn to act for years just for the hope of having any part in like a third rate movie and this guy gets straight in to an AAA release in a francise which he devotes so much time to, its practically a dream for him.

How can he be so rude? Has he played Kirk so much that is ego has become warped and he thinks he's employed by paramount! Everyone entited to an opinon but he doesnt have to broadcast it on the net!
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:51 AM
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Working for someone doesn't mean you have to give up your own opinion.
One opinion of thousands.
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Foundations will crumble, The structure will tumble, And free men will cry:
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:55 AM
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Nah, you cute little drama queens

Cawley spoke in very, very high tones of the new movie and praised Abrams in the highest tones too. What do you expect him to do? Crawl on all four legs every time he is asked about the new movie? Seriously folks, the guy has an oppinion and he has good reasons for this oppinion. He is absolutely right that projects as Phase II will slowly die after the movie comes out and as far as I can see Cawley and Co. have invested an unbelievable ammount of work and money into this project. Wouldnt you feel pissed? Heck, I would.
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