[rabbitc]

ok - give me one example where it has worked in the films.

[robinalexander]

sequels or movies from series needs NEW things, thats with everything (star Wars, Harry potter, Lord of the Rings, Indiana Jones, James Bond, etc.) saying those are the things make trek movies bad is ignorent.

Like Omicron said the orignal series created new things. why not movies and the well known Spin-offs.

[rabbitc]

because you don't need to.

when you have close to 1000 episodes of content to choose from, it's safe (and historically more successful) to choose from that.

Do we really need to add another alien or planet to the thousands that have already come before them?

Keeping it rooted in the series allows the story to take off quickly without spending copious amounts of time on character/race developement and keeps the pace hot.

(still waiting on that example, Omicron..)

[robinalexander]

"Keeping it rooted in the series allows the story to take off quickly without spending copious amounts of time on character/race developement and keeps the pace hot."

a tv audience and a movie audience are 2 different things. so you think the people who go see the movies know the origanl episodes and the locations form 15 years back? right.

"when you have close to 1000 episodes of content to choose from, it's safe (and historically more successful) to choose from that."

1000 episodes thats probably a typo. If its not, the first 6 had only the locations from the original. and they where pretty cheap and not really exciting.

[rabbitc]

just to address the 'why can't movies' remark - very easy reason:money. TV shows are much cheaper to produce and writers can be more experimental.

Everyone has their favourite episodes and their less favourite episodes (perhaps there's a few you even hate)

But they only run around the 1mil mark to generate and there's always 'next week's episode' to recover.

With a movie - you don't have that opportunity and you are dropping 60mil in one go. Past success PROVES that rooting the film in the series ALWAYS WORKS.

Berman was canned because he was taking the same experimental direction with the films that he was doing with the series - and you just can't do that. It's too risky and fiscally irresponsible.

[robinalexander]

"It's too risky and fiscally irresponsible."

does this also count for other franchises sequels in general?

[rabbitc]

1000 episodes thats probably a typo.

I beg your pardon - 726 is the actual number.

Original Series · 80 episodes
Animated Series · 22 episodes
Next Generation · 178 episodes
Deep Space Nine · 176 episodes
Voyager · 172 episodes
Enterprise · 98 episodes

the first 6 had only the locations from the original-and they where pretty cheap and not really exciting

ROFL! Why would you ever see this film? Star Wars is down the hall, mate.

so you think the people who go see the movies know the origanl episodes and the locations form 15 years back? right.

Yep...and if they don't, the guy sitting next to them will probably keep them tuned in.

[rabbitc]

does this also count for other franchises sequels in general?

Other franchise sequels don't have the benefit of a television series to draw on - also, franchise films based on a series actually suffer if they DON'T stay rooted in the source material.

You can't compare Star Trek to Bond, Indy, Star Wars, etc... - you should compare it to films that started as TV shows and then decide what made them successful/failures.

I'd argue not enough source content.

[robinalexander]

the first 6 had only the locations from the original-and they where pretty cheap and not really exciting

ROFL! Why would you ever see this film? Star Wars is down the hall, mate.

I was talking about the first 6 TREK movies, they had 102 episodes to work form.

plus all the voyager episodes doesnt have any influence on the last 4 movies because ther where 70.000 light years away?

the DS9 episodes where mostly ON DS9 itself, so thats doesnt count either.


so the 726 episodes to work from reason is not legit.

[robinalexander]

the source content are the 7 characters and the enterprise. The whole idea of star trek is exploring new world and civilizations? you know, the whole point trek.


edit: "Enterprise · 98 episodes"

most of the series was made AFTER Nemesis. so that one doesnt count either. and btw most of the enterprise episodes used alot of material form the original series. i read somewhere you didnt like the series? why? it used source content.