[omegaman]

When Nero says, "Jim Kirk was a great man, but that was another life."

It's because Nero has changed the Timeline and ultimately believes he has changed Kirk for the worse by altering events and he will never Captain a Starship.

What Nero fails to realised that regardless of the timeline changes Kirk is still destined to be the greatest Starfleet Captain ever, even if this new timeline throws obstacles at every turn.

It's STILL STAR TREK AS WE KNEW IT.

[CAPTAIN MOUSE]

Originally Posted by omegaman

When Nero says, "Jim Kirk was a great man, but that was another life."

It's because Nero has changed the Timeline and ultimately believes he has changed Kirk for the worse by altering events and he will never Captain a Starship.

What Nero fails to realised that regardless of the timeline changes Kirk is still destined to be the greatest Starfleet Captain ever, even if this new timeline throws obstacles at every turn.

It's STILL STAR TREK AS WE KNEW IT.

What good is greatness if you have no obstacles to overcome...This movie is going to rock!

[starbase63]

It's similar to Star Trek as we know it...not the same.

Different events are shaping the lives of the characters who bear the names of those were know in the "real" timeline. Some events we know would be in their future will never happen because of alterations.

[omegaman]

Originally Posted by starbase63

It's similar to Star Trek as we know it...not the same.

Different events are shaping the lives of the characters who bear the names of those were know in the "real" timeline. Some events we know would be in their future will never happen because of alterations.

Of course. But, at the end of the day you have what you want a Starship called Enterprise and Captain Named Kirk and isn't that all that really matters?

[MissionTrek08]

Again, that's an assumption which cannot yet be proven, Starbase. We have no clue yet how this film will end, how it will reconcile pre-Nero interference with the historic events of the original timeline.

Put it this way: why would so many characters battle the effects of Nero's interference, only to let all his changes play out unchallenged in the end? This "everything we know is gone" assumption basically implies that Spock, Kirk et al fail entirely at defeating Nero's attack on history, and they will let his plans affect their future unabated.

Do you really think Nero wins in this film?

[dholleyuk]

I think people are seeing this alternative to real time line too much and missing the simple point - "Jim Kirk was a great man, but that was another life" - simple he intends for Jim Kirk not to live!!!!!

[omegaman]

Originally Posted by MissionTrek08

Again, that's an assumption which cannot yet be proven, Starbase. We have no clue yet how this film will end, how it will reconcile pre-Nero interference with the historic events of the original timeline.

Put it this way: why would so many characters battle the effects of Nero's interference, only to let all his changes play out unchallenged in the end? This "everything we know is gone" assumption basically implies that Spock, Kirk et al fail entirely at defeating Nero's attack on history, and they will let his plans affect their future unabated.

Do you really think Nero wins in this film?

Nero doesn't win. But having created a new timeline in his pursuit of revenge the timeline can never be reset by defeating him only by preventing in the first place, ie: before he jumps back in time.

[MissionTrek08]

Agreed, Omega... but I doubt the point of this film will be to erase Nero's influence. Instead, they will attempt to defeat his larger future-changing plans (i.e. to kill James Kirk, or Spock) and limit the effects of the change he does make. The more they defeat his plans, the less influence on the future he will have and the universe proceeds mostly as intended... or rather, as it did the first time.

[omegaman]

Originally Posted by MissionTrek08

Agreed, Omega... but I doubt the point of this film will be to erase Nero's influence. Instead, they will attempt to defeat his larger future-changing plans (i.e. to kill James Kirk, or Spock) and limit the effects of the change he does make. The more they defeat his plans, the less influence on the future he will have and the universe proceeds mostly as intended... or rather, as it did the first time.

Exactly, they cannot change what has already transpired, only halt Nero's future effects on their timeline.

[Livingston]

Originally Posted by MissionTrek08

Again, that's an assumption which cannot yet be proven, Starbase. We have no clue yet how this film will end, how it will reconcile pre-Nero interference with the historic events of the original timeline.

Put it this way: why would so many characters battle the effects of Nero's interference, only to let all his changes play out unchallenged in the end? This "everything we know is gone" assumption basically implies that Spock, Kirk et al fail entirely at defeating Nero's attack on history, and they will let his plans affect their future unabated.

Do you really think Nero wins in this film?

Exactly! We don't know how this alternate universe plays out in this film, we don't know how old Spock gets into the alternate universe or if he even does. We don't know if Nero's only goal is to kill Kirk before he is born and we don't know how the 'real' trek universe will work into this alternate one, which it must at some point considering it starts there.

Just look at Yesterday's Enterprise, which is the episode Orci kept saying was one of the most influential in writing this script. Picard and crew of the alternate Enterprise risked everything to restore a timeline that was not their own even to the point of the destruction of the enterprise and her whole crew. All I'm saying is we just simply do not know how this will play out or even what this story is really about. What is Nero's goal, kill Kirk? Why? Is it personal? Killing him will somehow unravel time in a way that benefits Nero? Is Nero rogue? What are the other Romulans doing? What's his relationship to them? Where does he get this timeship? This platform thing? Why the Kelvin, why that one moment in time? Why not go back further and take out Kirk's mother or father years before, what is it that is so special about that moment and that ship? What is the deal with old Spock, how does he come into the story and what's he doing?