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Old 03-04-2009, 03:00 AM
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In pretty much every Trek series and film space battles have always been fought on a flat plane. In this one, can we expect realistic space battles? Or will we get more of the same? Personally, I'd like some realism.

Also, will we hear weapons fire? As you know there's no air in space to carry sound, so will we get BSG-style fights and sounds or regular Trek?
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Old 03-04-2009, 03:51 AM
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I agree, I would like to see some more three dimensional combat.

As for sound in space....aye, the lack of it would be more realistic, but even on BSG there are sound FX...just rather subdued. Folks say that sound FX have been thrown into space battles because the average person is too stupid to appreciate that there is NO sound in space.

No....it's because sound FX, like any other tool in filmmaking, are used to evoke a response from the viewer.... excitement, terror, fear, joy, etc. They just tend to make the space battles a little more exciting.
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Old 03-04-2009, 04:36 AM
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Nemesis really wasn't a Flat Plane battle but it didn't abandon it completely.
It would be good to see I guess.
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I'd like to see that myself, plus the sound effects (only as Trek has always had them before and I see no reason to abandon it now), but I wonder if they might keep to something less three dimensional to avoid confusing the audience as to where ships are in relation to each other.

Maybe not all the audience would be thinking in those terms.
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I'd like to see that myself, plus the sound effects (only as Trek has always had them before and I see no reason to abandon it now), but I wonder if they might keep to something less three dimensional to avoid confusing the audience as to where ships are in relation to each other.

Maybe not all the audience would be thinking in those terms.
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TWoK had some 3D parts...in fact it is why Kirk was able to defeat Kahn and Nemesis definately did...I would expect more of the same
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I'm sure this too will have it's share of space battles.
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I suppose a related argument is, considering that there is no up or down in space, how come starships are always the same way up when approaching each other?!
Who wants to see an upside down (from a moviegoers perspective) ship?!
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I agree, I would like to see some more three dimensional combat.

As for sound in space....aye, the lack of it would be more realistic, but even on BSG there are sound FX...just rather subdued. Folks say that sound FX have been thrown into space battles because the average person is too stupid to appreciate that there is NO sound in space.

No....it's because sound FX, like any other tool in filmmaking, are used to evoke a response from the viewer.... excitement, terror, fear, joy, etc. They just tend to make the space battles a little more exciting.

Agreed! I'd love to see the Big E to a 90 degree flip on a dime while pummeling the crap out of a Romulan Warbird! I always wanted to see the Big E--even though the Enterprise has always been a massive ship--do some cool near zero G maneuvers with RCSs firing away like crazy. I'd love to see Sulu working that panel making the Big E show why she's the baddest starship in the Alpha Quadrant!
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Mind you, because the Enterprise is a massive ship, she shouldn't be flipping around like, say, a small shuttle craft, or a Viper from BSG. The fan production of Star Trek: New Voyages (now Phase II), had the Enterprise zipping around like she was a little fighter, and that drew some flak. Because I appreciate the creative process of an artist, I didn't raise a fuss about it, but it wasn't to my personal tastes. So, IMO, the action in ST: Nemesis was fine...Just take her out of the submarine like, 2 dimensional attack style as seen in many submariner movies.
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