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Old 02-28-2009, 12:14 PM
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I was thinking about the evolution of the type of literature people read now. Most writing professionals consider comic book type stories - with their iconic good and bad guys - to be melodrama and not great literature. They feel comics lack the timeless truths of human nature. I'm not sure I agree with that point of view. Certainly I think literature can be otherworldly and have timeless truths. "Dune" was amazingly prophetic, as is Star Trek, although that is visual and not literature.

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Old 02-28-2009, 12:14 PM
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Don't be.
I think the reviewer might be right.
I've never heard of Watchman. I know he's correct on one thing. Those that have read the comic will find familiarity a comfortable place to watch this movie but doesn't seem intresting...it just looks intresting.

I'm sure it has a story line but I'm not sure if it's much of anything else.

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It's okay to jump to conclulsions. It's a movie, not a person. You're not doing yourself or anyone else an injustice about having preconceptions or it before viewing.
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Old 02-28-2009, 01:10 PM
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I was thinking about the evolution of the type of literature people read now. Most writing professionals consider comic book type stories - with their iconic good and bad guys - to be melodrama and not great literature. They feel comics lack the timeless truths of human nature. I'm not sure I agree with that point of view. Certainly I think literature can be otherworldly and have timeless truths. "Dune" was amazingly prophetic, as is Star Trek, although that is visual and not literature.

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Nice post! I'm not that familiar with that many comic books or really have followed many of the stories, so I can't really say one way or the other. But lots of people snub all sorts of great works of literature IMO. I remember reading criticism and essays on Welles "War of the Worlds", "The Time Machine", "Island of Dr. Moreau" and so on where they just explain away that these are not some great works of literature but simple, entertaining stories. Perhaps it is some prejudice against science fiction. "Dune" is a fantastic novel, it's a fantastic series and one of the scifi novels that does tend to get recognized as something more than just an entertaining story.

Some people say the same thing about the Lord of the Ring's books, just entertaining stories, but I think there's more there, as with lots of other works of literature that get snubbed by these elite literary critic types. If the Lord of the Rings was written three hundred years ago or so, maybe it'd be a different story with how we perceive it, but it was written in the 1930's, 40's and published in the 50's so many will call it entertainment, not to be mentioned in the same breath with the classics. Not enough time has passed I suppose, I think that has something to do with it as well.
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Old 02-28-2009, 01:11 PM
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Don't be.
I think the reviewer might be right.
I've never heard of Watchman. I know he's correct on one thing. Those that have read the comic will find familiarity a comfortable place to watch this movie but doesn't seem intresting...it just looks intresting.

I'm sure it has a story line but I'm not sure if it's much of anything else.

To People in General:
It's okay to jump to conclulsions. It's a movie, not a person. You're not doing yourself or anyone else an injustice about having preconceptions or it before viewing.
Of course you can jump to conclusions. You can say anything you want on a message board - of course there may be consequences for some things.

But if you're repeatedly wrong, you look - well...

Shakespeare wrote - 'Nothing is good or bad - only thinking makes it so'.
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Old 02-28-2009, 01:37 PM
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The thing about Watchmen, as I discovered when I first read it, was that it's about the people, not the powers (or lack thereof for everyone but Manhattan). It's not like other typical superhero stories.

You go in there expecting clashes of powers and battles like in Spider-Man or X-Men or the good ol' "hero vs villain" thing like Dark Knight... you've got the wrong idea of what the book and the original movie were. It was a mystery/drama, which happened to star a group of ex-superheroes.

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Old 02-28-2009, 01:42 PM
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I've followed this movie with several online sources and what I'm getting is "Watchmen" is a very complex, exacting story put to screen. I'm looking forward to it with a very open mind.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Movi...oom/index.html

I hope the movie is successful because it will give us what we long for...it will raise the bar.
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Old 02-28-2009, 01:51 PM
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Of course you can jump to conclusions. You can say anything you want on a message board - of course there may be consequences for some things.

But if you're repeatedly wrong, you look - well...

Shakespeare wrote - 'Nothing is good or bad - only thinking makes it so'.
In this particulalr case the only important expectation is your expectation. Everyone has a inate right to be discriminatory about what the view.

You have a right to be open minded.
To have a strict idea of what the movie should be.
You have a right to be turned off by it.
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In this particulalr case the only important expectation is your expectation. Everyone has a inate right to be discriminatory about what the view.

You have a right to be open minded.
To have a strict idea of what the movie should be.
You have a right to be turned off by it.
And we all the have the right to use spell & grammar check.
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Old 02-28-2009, 10:33 PM
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