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Old 02-02-2009, 10:41 AM
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How did Matt Jeffries (the designer of the very first Enterprise) approach the brief to design the iconic 1966 starship? Here's a quote:

"I decided that whatever we came up with had to be instantly recognisable, and to sell the speed it would probably have to start in the distance as a tiny speck of light, and enlarge and come right by your head or go the other way. In that couple of seconds you had to be able to recognise it.
The habitat part I felt ideally should be a ball, but it got too awkward to play with. It just didn’t look like it would get out of first gear, much less the speeds he was talking about. So it gradually got flattened. I was trying to stay away from a saucer because the UFOs or flying saucer were old hat but it did gradually turn it into a saucer."

How does this square with people's views about the new Enterprise?
Is this an engineering based viewpoint, or something more visual?
Did he take into account popular culture and fashion?



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Well, here is a link to a full and very interesting article here.

And you can even see the Daedalus class in there!
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Personally I don't care how he came up with the Design, I am just Glad he did. The U.S.S. Enterprise is the most beautiful ship in the Galaxy!
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How did Matt Jeffries (the designer of the very first Enterprise) approach the brief to design the iconic 1966 starship? Here's a quote:

"I decided that whatever we came up with had to be instantly recognisable, and to sell the speed it would probably have to start in the distance as a tiny speck of light, and enlarge and come right by your head or go the other way. In that couple of seconds you had to be able to recognise it.
The habitat part I felt ideally should be a ball, but it got too awkward to play with. It just didn’t look like it would get out of first gear, much less the speeds he was talking about. So it gradually got flattened. I was trying to stay away from a saucer because the UFOs or flying saucer were old hat but it did gradually turn it into a saucer."

How does this square with people's views about the new Enterprise?
Is this an engineering based viewpoint, or something more visual?
Did he take into account popular culture and fashion?


Since I've read it before it doesn't change my perspective.
The design wasn't carried out from a purely design form just because it's fictional. A real ship goes through models and proto types and his early concepts show forms that are still kinetic with field propulsion theory.

But as this is a TV series the most important aspect is as he says recognition. But it certainly doesn't sync with the 60's culture attitude. It was still a design aspect and he confirms only that part in the quote.
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Since I've read it before it doesn't change my perspective.
The design wasn't carried out from a purely design form just because it's fictional. A real ship goes through models and proto types and his early concepts show forms that are still kinetic with field propulsion theory.

But as this is a TV series the most important aspect is as he says recognition. But it certainly doesn't sync with the 60's culture attitude. It was still a design aspect and he confirms only that part in the quote.
Sorry, I don't understand. Could you please rephrase?

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Personally I don't care how he came up with the Design, I am just Glad he did. The U.S.S. Enterprise is the most beautiful ship in the Galaxy!
Thankyou for your comment. Of course, my thread is probably only of interest to the minority. Many people have made all sorts of claims about how he came up with the design and project all sorts of ideas onto it. I think this extract is interesting because it reflects a variety of motivations.

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Well, here is a link to a full and very interesting article here.

And you can even see the Daedalus class in there!
That's completely brilliant! I love it, much better than my abridged version. I'm not trying to rubbish anyone's point of view. I'm just trying to point out that how things are created is a funny business.

If people are interested enough to follow your link, I think it puts things nicely into perspective. Isn't it funny that people are splitting hairs about small details on the new design when Matt Jeffries designed the Enterprise upside down! The original one was printed the wrong way up and that's what made the grade!

p.s. I have an old "making of" book with all of those designs in and some interviews (had it since I was small). I still love it.
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Sorry, I don't understand. Could you please rephrase?

I've seen the Quote from Matt Jefferies before.
It doesn't alter my perspective that it was mostly constructed from a design perspective. It was important to incorporate aesthetics in the design and as a result the ship does have a pleasing look, how ever Matt's background in design assisted him to take short-cuts. The project was fictional, thus the heavy hand of design was not necessary for every aspect and detail of the Enterprise. Yet it did have a hand.

In fact the article posted above was the first one I ever read.

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He had emphasizaed that there were to be no fins, no wings, no smoke trails, no flames, no rocket.
And it's why I stand firmly by my argument, even if many view it dogmatic and superior. I recognized good design elements. Despite how often the original ship was put down and how often people tell me it was pure creativity, I merely know that's not the case. It was well thought out and brilliant and plainly evident.
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Top right corner, check it out! Remove one nacelle, and you've got the USS Kelvin!

Edit: Crap, can't link to it. Link removed, and here's the part of the pic I was talking about:

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Old 02-02-2009, 12:39 PM
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Yep, almost as though JJ was trying to give us a throw back
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