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Old 01-29-2009, 12:43 PM
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He said "arcane," not "inane." Could have, but didn't.
I was not trying to quote him directly and I chose "Inane" because it better describes how I feel about how some fans treat detail.
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Old 01-29-2009, 12:59 PM
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I think elements of the Kelvin look more like the original Enterprise than the Abomination does...

It looks like a Federation starship, yes, a class similar to the Constitution, but not the Big E.
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Style-wise, perhaps the Kelvin is more similar in a narrow way, but configuration-wise it's an entirely different class of starship from the E... as fans themselves proved upon first glance at it -- we couldn't even determine if it had two nacelles or one, a deflector dish, etc. etc. It has many more obvious differences from the E -- certainly to the general viewing public -- than it does similarities. Draw the outline shape of the Kelvin, and general moviegoers would have no idea what ship it is... while many would recognize the configuration of the E.

Are you kidding...we're talking about the Enterprise Mission. Every Enterprise except the Akiraprise looks like th e ENTERPRISE most people would be familar with...all of that is Form not design. As you said configuration. But that's not what spirit implies...

Not by a long shot...I think he's spout reherse lines. I'm not going to movie for his assurances.
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:56 PM
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I never said it looks nothing like it, only that it "doesn't quite do so".
A more severe thing is that he said he wouldn't change the SF symbol - but did.

The Star Fleet symbol looks pretty much the same to me...
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I thought so too, maybe I wasn't looking close enough.
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Old 01-29-2009, 07:23 PM
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I think elements of the Kelvin look more like the original Enterprise than the Abomination does...

It looks like a Federation starship, yes, a class similar to the Constitution, but not the Big E.
I think that the Kelvin is from the original time line & the X1 Enterprise is from another...(or whatever the plot time thing will be) you're right, the Kelvin has the original E "texture". Just my guess.
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..."But I can't make this movie for readers of [Nacelles] Monthly who are only concerned with what the ship's engines look like. They're going to find something they hate no matter what I do."
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:36 AM
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JJA: "The characters was the most important thing in it. We needed to be true to the spirit of those characters. There were certain iconic things -- if you're going to do "Star Trek," you've got to do the Enterprise and it has to look like the Enterprise. If you're going to do "Star Trek" you have to do costumes that feel like the costumes people know. You have to be able to glance at it and know what that is. Even the text, the font of "Star Trek" has to look like what you know."
"The phasers, the communicators, the Starfleet logo -- there are all these things that are the touchstones, the tenets of what makes "Star Trek" "Star Trek." If you're going to do this series those are things you don't mess with."
"And yet, the movie at its core is not only inspired by what has come before, it's deeply true to what's come before."
As a director looking to distill the franchise back to it's essence this is exactly what he should have been doing. Not exhaustive obession over everything that's historically been on screen.

So far, the uniforms, phasers, communicators and even the logo (which has been altered anyway over the years) are not radically removed from their 60's counterparts. The Enterprise is more so, but since the TOS ship was never my favourite design, the changes are for the greater part, fine with me.

And I also agree with his final comment that Kukalaka posted - he shouldn't be worrying about those who do look at the tiniest minor aspect - not a single person in the world chosen to make this film could please all of them. So the clear option is - don't try.

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Old 01-30-2009, 12:38 AM
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I was not trying to quote him directly and I chose "Inane" because it better describes how I feel about how some fans treat detail.
Now there's an attitude I can respect.
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..."But I can't make this movie for readers of [Nacelles] Monthly who are only concerned with what the ship's engines look like. They're going to find something they hate no matter what I do."
Indeed!
You picked out the best part
Even if certain "fans" could be satisfied, movies are made for everyone, especially on a 150 millon $ budget.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:49 AM
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I never said it looks nothing like it, only that it "doesn't quite do so".
A more severe thing is that he said he wouldn't change the SF symbol - but did.
Funny, I was never aware of that insignia or rank stuff in TOS. Either I lack the eye for such things or it is an indication that certain details are not essential for Trek.
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