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Old 01-23-2009, 10:25 AM
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Let the number of movie watchers be 100 and the number of Trekkies be 10. 5 of them are defenders of the 60s design in a 2009 movie.

There were two possibilities to make this movie.

Case 1: 60s designs are used, no visual canon is violated.
100% of the Trekkies and 10% of the general audience will watch this movie.
Result: 20 viewers.

Case 2: Modern designs are used, everything looks different and more futuristic, although the general shapes are still present.
50% of the Trekkies will watch this (assuming that the 60s defenders boycott it) and 50% of the general audience will follow them.
Result: 55 viewers.

Which is better for the future of our beloved franchise?
Case 1 could end the saga forever. Star Trek would be considered something old and the Trekkies will be considered nerds.
Case 2 could increase interest in our beloved franchise and keep it alive for unlimited time. And the MESSAGE of Star Trek would continue to spread! Trekkies could be seen as people who stand up against discrimination and want a better future.
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Old 01-23-2009, 11:07 AM
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You mean two stacked options, NCC...

What about the option where the original ship design is just updated with modern CGI and detailed a bit more, and the original set designs are used but updated with touchpad instrumentation, flat screens, plastics instead of plywood, etc...

Maybe be fair and add that option as well?
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You mean two stacked options, NCC...

What about the option where the original ship design is just updated with modern CGI and detailed a bit more, and the original set designs are used but updated with touchpad instrumentation, flat screens, plastics instead of plywood, etc...

Maybe be fair and add that option as well?
That is what he meant by ''60's designs''. Abrams and co. are not making a fan production, so they would not be allowed to do that anyway (by Paramount usw)
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You mean two stacked options, NCC...

What about the option where the original ship design is just updated with modern CGI and detailed a bit more, and the original set designs are used but updated with touchpad instrumentation, flat screens, plastics instead of plywood, etc...

Maybe be fair and add that option as well?
I agree.
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You mean two stacked options, NCC...

What about the option where the original ship design is just updated with modern CGI and detailed a bit more, and the original set designs are used but updated with touchpad instrumentation, flat screens, plastics instead of plywood, etc...

Maybe be fair and add that option as well?
I'm afraid I agree. The two options were loaded with made up numbers and assumptions, much as I like positive comments about updating the designs
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Are you sure that's what he meant, DNA?

Or is he one of the ones who thinks when a traditionalist says "original designs" we mean "use the original models and plywood and cardboard sets"?

I don't understand why you say Abrams wouldn't be allowed to use the original designs? CBS did not allow that as part of the moviemaking agreement? If not, why didn't they just say so from the start?
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Let the number of movie watchers be 100 and the number of Trekkies be 10. 5 of them are defenders of the 60s design in a 2009 movie.

There were two possibilities to make this movie.

Case 1: 60s designs are used, no visual canon is violated.
100% of the Trekkies and 10% of the general audience will watch this movie.
Result: 20 viewers.

Case 2: Modern designs are used, everything looks different and more futuristic, although the general shapes are still present.
50% of the Trekkies will watch this (assuming that the 60s defenders boycott it) and 50% of the general audience will follow them.
Result: 55 viewers.

Which is better for the future of our beloved franchise?
Case 1 could end the saga forever. Star Trek would be considered something old and the Trekkies will be considered nerds.
Case 2 could increase interest in our beloved franchise and keep it alive for unlimited time. And the MESSAGE of Star Trek would continue to spread! Trekkies could be seen as people who stand up against discrimination and want a better future.
I agree here. Even though it was a loaded question, i believe it was faily accurate. An update was inevitable....that or death to Star Trek. People in general are hard to please and seeing "some more of the same" would have put the general public off for seeing this movie. If Star Trek is to continue, it needs to evolve. Imo, Spock would agree
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It's not entirely accurate because it ignored a viable third option.

His was either 100% old school or 100% new wave.

The "compromise" position was left out.
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Are you sure that's what he meant, DNA?

Or is he one of the ones who thinks when a traditionalist says "original designs" we mean "use the original models and plywood and cardboard sets"?

I don't understand why you say Abrams wouldn't be allowed to use the original designs? CBS did not allow that as part of the moviemaking agreement? If not, why didn't they just say so from the start?
I believe that NCC here has recently taken part in one of the other discussions where you and others made this complaint. In fact, coming straight from reading that myself, I would have assumed he has taken this on board. And he doesn't much like the changes being made either, I am taken to understand!
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What about the option where the original ship design is just updated with modern CGI and detailed a bit more, and the original set designs are used but updated with touchpad instrumentation, flat screens, plastics instead of plywood, etc...

Maybe be fair and add that option as well?

...which is what Abrams did... scenario 2
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