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Old 01-15-2009, 06:58 AM
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Aside from the potential havoc caused by strong magnetic and gravitational fields, the biggest danger about going to warp within a star system is just the higher possibility of collision with other objects. Aside from planets, moons, and asteroids, there's also various space stations and other ships to contend with. Even at warp one, a ship only has less than a half second to avoid hitting something that accidentally wanders into its flight path from 100,000 kilometers away. You need as much open space as possible in order to maneuver away from something that close at warp speed, IMO...

I think for safety reasons, ships don't usually go to warp within a system, but that doesn't mean that they can't in an absolute emergency. It's just very risky or a generally unsafe practice.

But then again, Kirk used took the Enterprise-A out of Spacedock One at one-quarter impulse power, which is a pretty dangerous velocity when you consider it was within an enclosed structure with other parked starships inside...
Kinda like, in the world of BSG, making a Blind Jump (activating the Faster Than Light drive, or FTL, without first plotting a course), I guess. It CAN be done, but not recommended.

Ya know, I wondered myself about that space dock scene. Knowing that even 1/4 Impulse power is pretty darn fast, why haven't the FX guys ever show vessles being powered by simple manuvering thrusters--not that never showing the RCS systems at work would stop me from watching Trek. It's just something I wondered about often when watching the show(s).
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:00 AM
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:27 AM
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Hold on. I thought impulse engines operated at a quarter of lightspeed maximum, yes? (or thereabouts) Correction: about half lightspeed apparently!

How long would it take to get out of the Solar system by following the plane of the Solar system!?

One from the Earth to the Sun (1AU) is roughly 15,000,000 kilometres. Pluto is 64 AU (64 times further from the Sun than Earth) sometimes, which is 64 times 15,000,000 which = 960,000,000 kilometres. A half of lightspeed is 300,000,000/2 metres per second = 150,000,000 m/s ; which is 150,000 km/s which = 2500 kilometres per hour.

speed=distance/time
time=distance/speed

time taken to get out of the Sol system = at least 15,000,000/2500

Which = 6000 hours = 250 Days!!!!!

Just to get out of the Solar system!
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The obvious solution would be to go UP, at 90 degrees to the plane of the system and you could potentially go to warp instantaneously - as usual!!
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:51 AM
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Good that the system now ends at Neptune... or is Pluto still included even though it's not a planet anymore?
And a little correction: maximal impulse speed is 0.5 c
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:57 AM
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Good that the system now ends at Neptune... or is Pluto still included even though it's not a planet anymore?
Well, assuming that they are not at warp in case they hit something then Pluto still counts as a solid object. And anyway, Pluto is situated in the Kuiper
Asteroid Belt which includes many big objects besides.

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And a little correction: maximal impulse speed is 0.5 c
Ah thank you, so that means that we can cut about half off the time then...

I have corrected it now, is that better?
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:59 AM
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Didn't they warp out of orbit about every 4 seconds TOS. They did it almost every episode, how is it breaking cannon? I seem to recall Kirk saying on more then one occasion, "Mr. Sulu prepare to leave orbit, warp factor 1".
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Didn't they warp out of orbit about every 4 seconds TOS. They did it almost every episode, how is it breaking cannon? I seem to recall Kirk saying on more then one occasion, "Mr. Sulu prepare to leave orbit, warp factor 1".
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:16 AM
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I always explained the no-warp-in-the-solar-system rule to myself as one of those OSHA type regs that everyone ignores. Kind of like when some dork touches an electric panel and fries himself, so they have to make up a bunch of rules that anyone over 6 would already know (ie, don't touch the panel unless it's off).
Even as an anti-canoneer, this was one issue I always noticed.
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:22 AM
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I always explained the no-warp-in-the-solar-system rule to myself as one of those OSHA type regs that everyone ignores. Kind of like when some dork touches an electric panel and fries himself, so they have to make up a bunch of rules that anyone over 6 would already know (ie, don't touch the panel unless it's off).
Even as an anti-canoneer, this was one issue I always noticed.
This lovely word creation has to be pointed out, jerhanner
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:27 AM
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I like that new word "anti-canoneer". I too am at times an "anti-canoneer"
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