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Old 12-28-2008, 05:16 PM
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Shatner is just too fat. It would be a disgrace to Kirk's character.
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:14 PM
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There were some threads a while back that touched on the subject of William Shatner portraying a "Old Kirk" in the new movie. I've been thinking about it and I have a few good reasons why it would not work.

2) "He's been dead a long time Captain" - Old Spock is REALLY old! Vulcans live longer than humans and as aged as Nemoy looks he is around LONG after Kirk and Bones died. You will miss the other two characters but it makes sense why they are not a
Wasn't bones alive in the tng pilot episode? Even if he had died immediatly after the episode, spock would only have lived about 17 years after bone's death.
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Old 12-28-2008, 08:27 PM
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Shatner is just too fat. It would be a disgrace to Kirk's character.
You underrate Shat's crazy discipline and dedication to acting. He could drop the weight and fit back into his old uniform in no time.
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Old 12-28-2008, 08:37 PM
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Wasn't bones alive in the tng pilot episode? Even if he had died immediatly after the episode, spock would only have lived about 17 years after bone's death.
I'm really bad with the math when it comes to stardates and Vulcan lifespans. Can anyone else answer this?

Bones was still alive in the first episode of TNG so medical technology extends human lifespans past 100 years old?

How long do Vulcans live? I'm thinking it is over two or three hundred years.
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Sarek lived a long time, longer if not for the Bendii syndrome
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Sarek lived a long time, longer if not for the Bendii syndrome
I find "Bendii syndrome" childishly amusing, as if it afflicts Vulcans with bendy limbs or something.

William Shatner should not be in the new Star Trek film for the same reason Adam West was not in Batman Begins. Sadly, time passes. Although I love Mr Shatner as if he were my own father, he is now a lot older than when his character died onscreen and there is the small matter of him weighing almost the same amount as the Enterprise.
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Old 12-28-2008, 11:30 PM
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Egos aside, personally, I'm not sure it much matters.
I'm not privy to Mr. Shatner and Mr. Nimoy's contract details in full, but as I've understood the language boasted by them that there is some form of equal measurement to it.

That is, whatever one gets regarding Trek the other does as well. Also one of the reasons Shatner was director on ST:V IIRC (due to Nimoy's direction in ST: IV).

As to if that is pay on play or not is something else. I suspect it is only if play.
As I understand the language used, even a cameo would garner the same pay as a full starring appearance ("I don't do cameos" was backslid on later). As I also understand, that same contract may well stipulate that in the event of another movie Shatner has right of appearance due to Nimoy in this this one. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
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You underrate Shat's crazy discipline and dedication to acting. He could drop the weight and fit back into his old uniform in no time.
Absolutely No Way!
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1) There are numerous theories for how to bring back Shat. It would be easy.

2) Time is meaningless in Trek and sci-fi.

3) CGI has become advanced enough to have all of the old actors.

4) They can all be shown in the film w/CGI
The old cast are just that. Old. And I hope that CGI will never be used as a replacement for dead or ageing actors.
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*And I hope that CGI will never be used as a replacement for dead or ageing actors.*
Dunno. It worked fairly well for Beowulf I guess.
Lucas, playing around with Clone Wars, may well be finding ways to generate that style animation on a less costly level that may be of benefit to many.
He did after all pioneer Pixar.

As for the actors' likenesses, I suppose a contract could be generated with relatives of the deceased and directly with those still among us. All that would take is some talented sculptors and scanners to generate a 3D likeness for manipulation.

Frankly, any possible new Trek TV series is most likely going to be animated in some form. I vaguely, and I do strongly mean vaguely, see a possible (if unlikely) TOS animated from CBS, depending on the success of the movie (or movies if the animation cost isn't acceptable by that time) for them to cash in on. But that would be a straight continuation of the original series and almost certainly set for prime-time viewing. Voice actors are far less expensive, easier to manage and all of the work is done in the office without the worries and hassles of stage shooting.
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