[SeerSGB]

Originally Posted by ISSJim

Do you think since J.J. has asked James Cawley to be in his film it lends anymore
acceptance to the New Voyages episodes?

For my part, nope. Still dislike their production and still laugh at them.

[Pxer]

Originally Posted by Summer Storm Pictures

And just what has anyone here done that has come even close to the efforts those at STNV have accomplished? I think ''ridiculous'' is a bit harsh of a blanket comment to apply to a hybrid group of professionals and non-professionals who do what they do in the best spirit of all that is Star Trek and for no financial gain. I hope this board doesn't become a shrill ''name-calling'' brother to the StarTrek.com board. I think we can be just a little more accommodating and civil here.

Don't worry, HRH just likes bashing things. It would be more of an insult if he didn't rag on STNV. I for one, think they're pretty good and a great effort, but of course they have no canonical value.

[HRH The KING]

Originally Posted by Summer Storm Pictures

I'm all for constructive criticism. Don't get me wrong, however I do try to back up my criticism and be as balanced as I can in doing so.

I'm no fan of Nemesis, but then I'm rather outspoken in my relative apathy to the TNG era vision of Star Trek. I finally did see Nemesis a few months back and felt it was par for the course, although I also felt it became a bit self-indulgent at times and seemed as if there just had to be a better story that could have been told.

As for STNV, I do not work with that group but have gotten to know several of them ''virtually.'' They know me for being a ''piece of work'', and I have been at times critical of their projects, but again constructively and with a purpose other than to simply bash them.

"Bashing" and "constructive"

Both very subjective terms.

If I said "I dislike NV because I find it to be little more than silly nostalgia for a style of Star Trek which is now obsolete, thus Cawley's earlier complaints (made before he was offered a part) about the new movie not being "pure" simply because it isn't an exact replication of the style of TOS, are as absurd as complaining that "Batman Begins" didn't have "POW" and "SPLAT" on screen graphics like the campy TV show of the 1960's"....someone may come along and say something like.....

Don't worry, HRH just likes bashing things.

So I can't post opinions while concerning myself about whether they'll be considered "constructive" or not.

[TriggerMan]

Originally Posted by Summer Storm Pictures

And just what has anyone here done that has come even close to the efforts those at STNV have accomplished?

That almost sounds like you are going after the entire board in that one. HRH felt they are rediculous. To a degree, I do too. But it's fan fiction of course. Also, its irrelevant if what we've done as that isn't the issue of what's being discussed.

I think ''ridiculous'' is a bit harsh of a blanket comment to apply to a hybrid group of professionals and non-professionals who do what they do in the best spirit of all that is Star Trek and for no financial gain.

Perhaps they arent' saying the people putting them on or the idea of it being put on is "rediculous," just perhaps the result?

[CoW mAn]

Originally Posted by HRH The KING

LOL
Personally I find them to be ridiculous, but that's just my opinion.

Have you seen World Enough And Time? How would you compare that to some actual TOS episodes, hmmm? Certainly better than Spock's Brain I should think.

[thecrow]

Originally Posted by CoW mAn

Have you seen World Enough And Time? How would you compare that to some actual TOS episodes, hmmm?

I gotta say. That was very good. It was a little choppy getting into it but once old Sulu beamed onto the Enterprise, it was very good from then on. Very good.
So in the spirit of constructive critisism-
If Cawley's going to keep this thing going, I really think he should get someone else to play Kirk. He comes off as a Shatner impersonator. I don't care for the actor playing Scott either. It looks like they got someone new playing Spock so we'll see how that turns out. They have kick *** effects but the acting & some of the sets don't jive with it. I realize that this thing is near & dear to Cawley's heart & he's a purist but I think he needs to let the role go to someone younger & bring in some artists who can amp up the sets & bit & still keep them pure & get a director who can pull something more from the actors & get a new Scott.

[RedShirtWalking]

I think STNV is great fun. Cawley and Co. have managed to do something with Star Trek that the mighty Paramount hasn't: appeal to core, original Trekkies.

It's decent story telling, it looks good and they love doing it. What could be wrong with that? I certainly love it more than I did "Star Trek: Voyager," thanks.

[Ethaelmar]

I have the first three episodes of STNV on my hard drive, and I won't delete them for anything. Each show has become better than the last, World Enough and Time was brilliant, and whether Cawley's involvement in XI brings more legitimacy to STNV or not, I will continue to watch whatever is produced.

I disagree that they need a new Kirk or Scott, I liked the old Spock, and I think they're doing just fine as is.

As for criticism, HRH and I have been in a few arguments at StarTrek.com and I, for one, listen to him about as much as he believes the STNV episodes are canon, so not really at all. The man's never had a single constructive thing to say, and his only use is to instigate arguments, so he's useless.

As for my take on whether STNV is canon or not, I've not seen anything in the episodes, yet, that could NOT be considered canon, although I also must say I feel a lot of what's been done is re-hashed TOS. That's alright, though, because the goal with that, were I producing STNV, would be to introduce those who, perhaps, don't know much about TOS to what's come before, to link TOS to STNV. I see nothing wrong with that and, as a result, the entertainment value of STNV is much greater to me than to a bunch of hypocritical hyper-critical Siskel and Ebert wanna-be's.

Good day.

[Raiden]

Originally Posted by HRH The KING

LOL

No, they will never be considered canon.

Personally I find them to be ridiculous, but that's just my opinion.

But you have to admit, World Enough and Time was about as close as anyone could get to recreating TOS

[Pxer]

Originally Posted by HRH The KING

So I can't post opinions while concerning myself about whether they'll be considered "constructive" or not.

You can do whatever you want, but frankly your longtime hijacking of ENT discussion turned to "criticizing" the series nonstop has become quite old.