The Official Star Trek Movie Forum

The Official Star Trek Movie Forum > Star Trek > Star Trek XI: The Movie > Orci on canon
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 02-07-2008, 04:30 AM
SeerSGB SeerSGB is offline
Midshipman
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: In Your Franchise, Frakking Up Your Canon
Posts: 19
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by starbase63 View Post
Exactly what came to my mind as well...hardcore Whovians are every bit as rabid as Trek fans.

On the music side you have Beatlemaniacs and Deadheads...
Let's not leave out the Transformers fans; you think Orci and Kurtzman are catching from ST fans, that's nothing compared to what they went through with the Transformers fanbase. Robotech fans (aka protoculture addicts) that are nice and rabid at times (and talk about canons fights, pbbft you've not seen nothing yet), The Gundam Fanbase...the list goes on and on. Rabid fans is nothing new, kind of in the job description.
__________________
~ SeerSGB ~
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-07-2008, 08:35 AM
Captain Hackett Captain Hackett is offline
Midshipman
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 11
Default

If they decide to tweak the TOS canon a bit, it is fine with me. What I care most is they stick with Gene's vision and write a great and epic story.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-07-2008, 11:37 AM
NCC-73515's Avatar
NCC-73515 NCC-73515 is offline
Fleet Admiral
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Heidelberg, Germany
Posts: 7,207
Default

I'm absolutely sure they did. I thought this statement of Orci would satisfy all the critics, hopefully someday everyone will be happy...
__________________


"English! I thought I dreamed hearing it!"?
Khan, Space Seed (TOS)

Brought to you in living color by NCC.
-= first fan member =-

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-07-2008, 11:41 AM
sir num nums sir num nums is offline
Rear Admiral
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sherwood, AR
Posts: 2,357
Default

What... I am happy.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-07-2008, 01:50 PM
Oregon_Coast_Trekkie's Avatar
Oregon_Coast_Trekkie Oregon_Coast_Trekkie is offline
Commander
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,271
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedShirtWalking View Post
But there's a vast difference in being loyal to canon and being a slave to insignifcant details. I think the vast majority of people take canon to mean the story elements that make up Star Trek and the characters we have loved for so long---not the button sequence that was used to open Kirk's "safe" in his quarters or how the Bridge of the Enterprise is designed or even what the uniforms look like.

This film can absolutely tell a brand new story with a brand new look and new actors and still be 100% loyal to established events in Star Trek. I suspect that's exactly what will happen, too.
I totally agree with you 100%. However, there is the population of Star Trek fans who think there is no such thing as an "insignificant deatail." And truthfully, those are the people who speak of Star Trek with the loudest voices, and in turn, make it "geeky." Somebody actually said in a Trekmovie.com forum, "If Abrams can't get something as simple as the font right on the hull, or the color of the railing right on the bridge, how can we trust him to get the meaning of Star Trek as a whole?"

It is people like that, who think that you DO need to pay attention to all of those little things, who will be alienated by this movie.

But I want to stress, I agree with you totally. I'm not going to fret if the exact shade of colors aren't matched. I just want a good movie and a good story.

BTW, good SNL reference with the "Kirk's safe combination."
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 02-07-2008, 02:30 PM
MissionTrek08's Avatar
MissionTrek08 MissionTrek08 is offline
Fleet Admiral
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Southern California
Posts: 5,562
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregon_Coast_Trekkie View Post
I totally agree with you 100%. However, there is the population of Star Trek fans who think there is no such thing as an "insignificant deatail." And truthfully, those are the people who speak of Star Trek with the loudest voices, and in turn, make it "geeky." Somebody actually said in a Trekmovie.com forum, "If Abrams can't get something as simple as the font right on the hull, or the color of the railing right on the bridge, how can we trust him to get the meaning of Star Trek as a whole?"

It is people like that, who think that you DO need to pay attention to all of those little things, who will be alienated by this movie.

But I want to stress, I agree with you totally. I'm not going to fret if the exact shade of colors aren't matched. I just want a good movie and a good story.

BTW, good SNL reference with the "Kirk's safe combination."
All good points raised, and it underscores the difference between fans (a large group with broad interest levels) and fetishists (a quite small group who require a certain, set pattern to continue deriving pleasure from the material and who strongly resist any change to that pattern).

Certainly both groups deserve to have their say, beyond that it's up to individuals to consider the source when it comes to praise and criticism, I think.
__________________

MISSION:TREK's in-depth review of STAR TREK


Proud member of the Friends of Zardoz Association. Avatar courtesy of Eliza's House of Avatars with three convenient locations near you. Free balloons for the kids!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 02-07-2008, 04:41 PM
DS9TREK DS9TREK is offline
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: London, England, UK
Posts: 172
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bright Eyes View Post
True enough; regrettably, Mr Davies is also on record as saying that American SF producers listen too much to the fans about how to make their shows, and that he doesn't want to listen to them.

The LA Times article is Paying Customers Only, but the reference is here:

http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/fo...p?topic=4349.0
Joss Whedon said something similar about never listening to what the fans want. "Never give them what they want, only what they need." Of course that only works up to a point. If you don't listen at all you won't know what they need...
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 02-08-2008, 05:54 AM
RedShirtWalking's Avatar
RedShirtWalking RedShirtWalking is offline
Commander
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Manchester, NH
Posts: 1,020
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DS9TREK View Post
Joss Whedon said something similar about never listening to what the fans want. "Never give them what they want, only what they need." Of course that only works up to a point. If you don't listen at all you won't know what they need...
...and that might explain why Star Trek has been around in one incarnation or another for forty-plus year and Firefly was on for 14 episodes and a marginally successful film. LOL
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 02-08-2008, 12:19 PM
MissionTrek08's Avatar
MissionTrek08 MissionTrek08 is offline
Fleet Admiral
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Southern California
Posts: 5,562
Default

Maybe TREK works because they never gave fans ONLY what they want?

Challenging fans to expand their understanding and appreciation for what the ST universe is keeps it dynamic and growing, instead of stale and lifeless. Exploration of unknowns never ends, certainly not after one five-year mission.
__________________

MISSION:TREK's in-depth review of STAR TREK


Proud member of the Friends of Zardoz Association. Avatar courtesy of Eliza's House of Avatars with three convenient locations near you. Free balloons for the kids!
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 02-08-2008, 04:39 PM
Sinister Sinister is offline
Midshipman
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 11
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DS9TREK View Post
Joss Whedon said something similar about never listening to what the fans want. "Never give them what they want, only what they need." Of course that only works up to a point. If you don't listen at all you won't know what they need...
that's really interesting, I had never heard that. It may explain why I liked the TV show but was not impressed by the movie. Then again, I suspect that many fans WANTED to know what reavers were, I didn't, and was thus dissappointed by the explanation of the space boogeymen.

Certainly explaining the force for fans that wanted to know, didn't go well for Lucas.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:16 PM.


Forum theme courtesy of Mark Lambert
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2009 by Paramount Pictures. STAR TREK and all related
marks and logos are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. All Rights Reserved.