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Old 12-18-2008, 01:53 PM
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That's an interesting point, well said. I hadn't thought about TOS Enterprise design as a classic car.

It's probably a case of commercial realities. Star Trek is a mass market film (at a $150m price tag it needs to be worth the investors spending the money) and ultimately pleasing the audience is an important consideration. It's not a bad thing, after all TOS was born in a commercial arena too.
If I was an investor I'd be a little worried if a film was totally dependent on the look of a spaceship. Visual effects aside, the main thrust of any Star Trek film is the actors, their relationships and dependencies on each other to come through whatever situation is thrown at them.
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Old 12-18-2008, 02:10 PM
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If I was an investor I'd be a little worried if a film was totally dependent on the look of a spaceship. Visual effects aside, the main thrust of any Star Trek film is the actors, their relationships and dependencies on each other to come through whatever situation is thrown at them.
I agree. I'm guessing they liked the script too and JJ Abrams has a proven commercial track record. Judging from this forum, the fans seem quite interested in the Enterprise....I think that lots of elements you mention were notably missing from the last couple of movies and they suffered at the box office accordingly.
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Old 12-18-2008, 07:06 PM
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I'm cool with whatever design they put up, but I don't think updating something for the sake of pleasing and audience is enough of a justification. Lots of people still like classic cars etc. Simply put, there is nothing wrong with the TOS E to make her less appealing than she was in her day.
It's a fine opinion, but it also begs the question: where is the evidence that the E was updated only "for the sake of pleasing [an] audience"?

I know this assumption is made daily, but to my knowledge none of us have seen the film yet to determine there is one and only one motivation for the design of this ship. Far too much is unknown still to make such assumptions.

And indeed, what if any future reasons utterly justify this ship design when the film is viewed? Months of speculation in the dark may become immediately moot when informed with the facts. Or not, of course.
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Old 12-19-2008, 05:02 AM
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It's a fine opinion, but it also begs the question: where is the evidence that the E was updated only "for the sake of pleasing [an] audience"?

The simiple fact that they did update and existing and established design shows that they are doing it just because they can. This movie is about the original Enterprise and her crew. Captain Pike, future Captain Kirk, Spock, Bones, etc. We already know what that ship looked like under Pike's and Kirk's commands. There was no reason to change it. The cange in the design of the ship ensured that this movie would in no way shape or form fit into established Star Trek continuity. Then to reinforce that fact, Orci concocted that convoluted alternate reality/timeline/many worlds/quantum mechanics what-the-heck-ever to try to put a band aid on the already profusely bleeding wound that was cut into the established Star Trek universe.

I know this assumption is made daily, but to my knowledge none of us have seen the film yet to determine there is one and only one motivation for the design of this ship. Far too much is unknown still to make such assumptions.

Whatever. See above.

And indeed, what if any future reasons utterly justify this ship design when the film is viewed? Months of speculation in the dark may become immediately moot when informed with the facts. Or not, of course.
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Alternate Universe. Not your father's Star Trek. Different timeline. Et cetera. Et Cetera. Blah Blah. Yadda Yadda. No, I'm not bitter. How about this: People like me should just get over it. People like me should just shut up already. People like me should just embrace the future and get a frakking life. Again I say...whatever.
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Old 12-19-2008, 05:40 AM
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Zim, you're still drawing final conclusions from entirely incomplete knowledge about the film and necessarily vague answers to interview questions.

To somehow conclude you know all the reasons for what happens in the film only leaves you either alter you conclusion later as you learn more, or ignore subsequent information which contradicts your early conclusion. Sure, you have a chance at guessing it 100% right... but if you don't get that lucky, then what good were such early conclusions anyway?
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Alternate Universe. Not your father's Star Trek. Different timeline. Et cetera. Et Cetera. Blah Blah. Yadda Yadda. No, I'm not bitter. How about this: People like me should just get over it. People like me should just shut up already. People like me should just embrace the future and get a frakking life. Again I say...whatever.
Uhmmm...Time to switch to decaf or take a nap
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Ya snooze, ya looze. Gotta keep on the ball so I'll know exactly how badly this movie will be screwed up.
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Ya snooze, ya looze. Gotta keep on the ball so I'll know exactly how badly this movie will be screwed up.
I'm guessing that you won't know if the film's any good or not until you see it, like everyone else. Alternatively, you could build a giant tottering edifice of imagined short-comings over the next few months - build it high enough so you'll make it impossible for you to enjoy the movie when it does come out.
Whatever floats your boat.
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