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Old 12-12-2008, 11:38 AM
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There's always what Yelchin said about the final scene:

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"The end, when you see us all together. I can't explain how you get to see us all together, but it's pretty epic. ... You're on the Enterprise, and you just know it feels so epic. We shot the last scene in the film, and you see everyone in the gold, and the blue, and the red."
We still don't know everything.
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Old 12-12-2008, 11:39 AM
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Perhaps the next film will show us the mirror-abramsverse
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Old 12-12-2008, 11:42 AM
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Folks, dont worry, its actually very simple. Its like Orci and Kurtzman explained the whole time: Their movie is a reboot. What we see is a completely new Star Trek. But for the sake of canon it is said to play in an alternate universe. Thats it. Spock from our beloved Star Trek universe travels into the past of an alternate Abrams-Orci-Kurtzman-Star-Trek-Universe.

By this Abrams and Co can feel free to interprete Trek as they want and at the same time calm down the canon fetishists among us. Its brilliant.
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Old 12-12-2008, 11:44 AM
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By this Abrams and Co can feel free to interprete Trek as they want and at the same time calm down the canon fetishists among us. Its brilliant.
This is what I'm beginning to see, and I agree, it's a very smart solution to a lot of issues.
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Sure. But if our heroes succeed because of Old Spocks intervention does that not mean the timeline is reset to the way it should be? It should, or we diverge into two separate timelines?

I don't see how that is possible?
Sure it is possible...you still have to remember that this other crew still has not had the experiences that the "prime crew" has had. So they might react totally different to the same situations or or make choices that lead them to new senarios. As we know now their lives have not been matched event for event...thus new possibilities can occur. That is just what I think of course.
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Folks, dont worry, its actually very simple. Its like Orci and Kurtzman explained the whole time: Their movie is a reboot. What we see is a completely new Star Trek. But for the sake of canon it is said to play in an alternate universe. Thats it. Spock from our beloved Star Trek universe travels into the past of an alternate Abrams-Orci-Kurtzman-Star-Trek-Universe.

By this Abrams and Co can feel free to interprete Trek as they want and at the same time calm down the canon fetishists among us. Its brilliant.
OK. Sure. But if any timeline is reset there must be changes regardless right?

What will be the new changes in the next movie? There has to be some?
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OK. Sure. But if any timeline is reset there must be changes regardless right?

What will be the new changes in the next movie? There has to be some?
No resets, no restorations, no repairs of history, forget that!

The theory is that, if you go back in time and kill Abraham Lincoln before the Civil War started, you create a parallel universe where slavery lasted a century longer. You can not eliminate that universe, it exists and grows and flourishs.

But back in your universe Lincoln was still shot much later. Buy this theory timetravel does not alter the timeline of your universe but creates a parallel universes. It does not change your history, but creates a new universe with a different history instead. Now there are two histories.

No timeline resets anymore!

At least thats how I understood Orci.
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No resets, no restorations, no repairs of history, forget that!

The theory is that, if you go back in time and kill Abraham Lincoln before the Civil War started, you create a parallel universe where slavery lasted a century longer. You can not eliminate that universe, it exists and grows and flourishs.

But back in your universe Lincoln was still shot much later. Buy this theory timetravel does not alter the timeline of your universe but creates a parallel universes. It does not change your history, but creates a new universe with a different history instead. Now there are two histories.

No timeline resets anymore!

At least thats how I understood Orci.
So, how does old Spock return to his own timeline? Since he has travelled into the past of the new/altered timeline?
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Pretty sure old Spock dies in this one... I'd bet real money on it... in some epic way saving someone no doubt.
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So, how does old Spock return to his own timeline? Since he has travelled into the past of the new/altered timeline?
He returns t he same way he came, with the fancy ship he came he also leaves again.
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