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Good Lord, I don't think I've ever seen a person's point be missed more cleanly by so many.

How would I describe Star Trek to a blind person:
Star Trek is larger than the design of the Enterprise, than the color of James T. Kirk's eyes, than whether Spock's mouth is correct or whether the actor playing him purses his lips a little too much, than whether they've got white bras in the 23rd century. It's more than "canon" and more than every little detail that some people love to pick apart and discuss until the rest of us are ready to cry from sheer boredom.

Star Trek is the hope that humanity will eventually become better than it is and will never stop trying to be better than it is; that we will learn from the mistakes of our bloody past; that humanity will evolve to a point where war and discrimination are no longer a function of our culture and are replaced with tolerance and acceptance -- not only for those who are different among us, but for those who are different the galaxy over. Star Trek shows that, in its quest to better itself, humanity will never stop reaching out to new life and new civilizations. We'll never stop trying to learn, never stop asking others to join us in our quest. It's the idea that, even though we've made it off the planet and into the cosmos that fascinated our ancestors, we'll never stop reaching for the next star, never stop wondering what's Out There ...

There's more, but I'm tired. That's how I'd describe Star Trek to a person who has never seen a nacelle strut or a Klingon.
While that was indeed mmoore's point, nobody missed his point. And the point is, his point's a False Dilemma.

Yes, it's 'more than'. But it's not 'separate from', which is the False Dilemma. The Concorde SST was about going really, really fast. So if I were to have bought a ticket for the Concorde and somebody showed up with a Dodge Viper and tried to convince me it was a Concorde -- "Well, hey, it goes really, really fast, and isn't that truly what the Concorde is about? Huh?" He could take that Viper straight to hell.

The spirit may be there in spades, but without the look, it's not what I'm paying for. Conversely, the look could be absolutely spot on, but if the spirit isn't there, I'm not paying for that, either. I have every right to expect both, and I have every right to say, "Nope. No sale." if both aren't there. After all, if they could give 100% in 1966 with a shoestring budget, they can sure as hell give 100% in 2009 with a budget in the millions.

No excuses.
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Looks to me like they gave 100% to produce STXI.

Of course, your idea of "100%" may be different from my idea of it.
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After all, if they could give 100% in 1966 with a shoestring budget, they can sure as hell give 100% in 2009 with a budget in the millions.
They are. That includes making the Enterprise NOT look like a cheaply-built model from the 1960's.
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They are. That includes making the Enterprise NOT look like a cheaply-built model from the 1960's.
Except the Enterprise does look like a rather expensively-built model from the 1960s. Old ain't always worse and new ain't always better -- try to keep that in mind, junior. :P
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Good Lord, I don't think I've ever seen a person's point be missed more cleanly by so many.

How would I describe Star Trek to a blind person:
Star Trek is larger than the design of the Enterprise, than the color of James T. Kirk's eyes, than whether Spock's mouth is correct or whether the actor playing him purses his lips a little too much, than whether they've got white bras in the 23rd century. It's more than "canon" and more than every little detail that some people love to pick apart and discuss until the rest of us are ready to cry from sheer boredom.

Star Trek is the hope that humanity will eventually become better than it is and will never stop trying to be better than it is; that we will learn from the mistakes of our bloody past; that humanity will evolve to a point where war and discrimination are no longer a function of our culture and are replaced with tolerance and acceptance -- not only for those who are different among us, but for those who are different the galaxy over. Star Trek shows that, in its quest to better itself, humanity will never stop reaching out to new life and new civilizations. We'll never stop trying to learn, never stop asking others to join us in our quest. It's the idea that, even though we've made it off the planet and into the cosmos that fascinated our ancestors, we'll never stop reaching for the next star, never stop wondering what's Out There ...

There's more, but I'm tired. That's how I'd describe Star Trek to a person who has never seen a nacelle strut or a Klingon.
Very well put....and agree that most were missing the point. I always like to look for the message of an episode...wether it be TOS, ENT, TNG, etc....

So I suppose that is how I would explain it to a blind person. The message is what Trek is about, and every episode has their own.
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