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Old 12-06-2008, 03:59 PM
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Everyone is so wrapped up in the visual aspect of this flick that they are ignoring what is important. Does it matter so much that the ship's nacelle supports are wider at the bottom than at the top? Is it a big deal that the deflector dish isn't gold or orange or whatever frickin' color it was in 1964? Is it a dealbreaker if the Klingons have bumpy helmets and three noses and a targ named Sue? Will the world stop spinning if the Mag 7 look too close in age?

How would you describe Star Trek to a blind person?

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*Sigh* Okay, as someone whose wife is deaf, you are basically asking me if my wife can't appreciate "Shakespeare" because she can't hear the dialogue. Of course not, I must reply, but that is because any deaf friendly production of Shakespeare includes the dialogue via Sign Language.

You are correct...Star Trek will have meaning, regardless of what medium you describe it in.

Perhaps, I, as a hearing and seeing person am the most handicapped...because I take meaning from both the visual and the audible. I have to "accept" inputs from both spectrums.
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Please. If you "get it" there was no reason for you to reply. If you don't "get it" the situation is worse than I thought.
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In a cinema, what's important is what's on the screen and on the speakers.
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Please. If you "get it" there was no reason for you to reply. If you don't "get it" the situation is worse than I thought.
Arguing with someone who loves arguing is like wrestling with a pig...both get dirty and the pig loves it.
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But in response to the original question...I honestly don't know. For me...everything visual is at least equal to the audible. (My wife is legally deaf...she is not totally deaf. And were you to hear her...you wouldn't know she was deaf. She lost her hearing after learning to speak.)

The way everything looks, sounds, feels, is equally important...so I can't tell you how I would describe Trek to a blind person. Being very visually oriented myself, looking at the original series, I would probably break everything down as a machine might..."This strip is 3.34 meters wide, by 4.23 meters long...black in color"...ect.

But, perhaps that is my overall problem, I equate the fact that I know visual dimensions of Star Trek to be equal to the knowledge of Star Trek. I equate the fact that given the materials, I can build any section of the Enterprise from memory. I must say that while watching any stage production of any play, rather than paying attention to the story...I'm looking at stage design.
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Another False Dilemma, even if eloquently crafted. Yes, half is better than nothing. But I'm not paying 100% to get 50%.
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Everyone is so wrapped up in the visual aspect of this flick that they are ignoring what is important.
Seriously.
My 2 quatloos...

What I feel is important is the movie - which NONE of us have seen.

Visuals are all we only really have, NOW, until the FULL movie's shown.

N'est-ce pas?

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It is easy to put on a subtitle for those who have audition problems. But how do you make a film sensable for a blind person? I'd use ship models to let them analyze the shapes by touch. Then they can partially imagine what happens on the screen.
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Good Lord, I don't think I've ever seen a person's point be missed more cleanly by so many.

How would I describe Star Trek to a blind person:
Star Trek is larger than the design of the Enterprise, than the color of James T. Kirk's eyes, than whether Spock's mouth is correct or whether the actor playing him purses his lips a little too much, than whether they've got white bras in the 23rd century. It's more than "canon" and more than every little detail that some people love to pick apart and discuss until the rest of us are ready to cry from sheer boredom.

Star Trek is the hope that humanity will eventually become better than it is and will never stop trying to be better than it is; that we will learn from the mistakes of our bloody past; that humanity will evolve to a point where war and discrimination are no longer a function of our culture and are replaced with tolerance and acceptance -- not only for those who are different among us, but for those who are different the galaxy over. Star Trek shows that, in its quest to better itself, humanity will never stop reaching out to new life and new civilizations. We'll never stop trying to learn, never stop asking others to join us in our quest. It's the idea that, even though we've made it off the planet and into the cosmos that fascinated our ancestors, we'll never stop reaching for the next star, never stop wondering what's Out There ...

There's more, but I'm tired. That's how I'd describe Star Trek to a person who has never seen a nacelle strut or a Klingon.
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