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Old 12-06-2008, 10:11 AM
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well i am sorry if i offended in any way your beliefs,but i meant that in my humble opinion star trek is top of the line,and the crandle for any franchise
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Old 12-06-2008, 10:16 AM
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A troubled, rebellious young man destined to be a hero - Kirk/Luke

A mentor - Pike/Obiwan

An evil foe - Nero/Vader

A gigantic machine to destroy a planet - laser drilling machine/Deathstar

Epic space battles

Anyone else noticed any plot similarities, I'm sure there's more?
Let's see - mentor relationship (Spock/Saavik, even Kirk/Saavik), evil foe (Khan), planet destroyer (Genesis device if launched on an existing planet), epic space battles (Enterprise vs Reliant twice), apart from the presence of the young rebellious hero it looks like TWOK actually got most of it's elements from Star Wars as well, and did it in 1982.

Is it a Star Wars rip-off?
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Old 12-06-2008, 10:21 AM
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Nero: "Pike never told you what happened to your father..."

Kirk: "He told me enough! YOU killed him!"

Nero: "No James... I AM your father!"

Kirk: "Okay... I think I'm going to go throw up now...."
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Kirk: Impossible! I am your grandfather! I am also half the galaxy's father!
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Kirk: Impossible! I am your grandfather! I am also half the galaxy's father!
I wonder if they still have paternity laws in the 23rd century?
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Old 12-06-2008, 09:46 PM
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well i am sorry if i offended in any way your beliefs,but i meant that in my humble opinion star trek is top of the line,and the crandle for any franchise
Seriously... Did you even bother to re-read what you posted? No? What a shocker...
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:15 PM
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Default The Hero's Journey

Any of you guys ever heard of Joseph Campbell? The Hero with a Thousand Faces? Mythological archetypes? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? This stuff's been around a lot longer than Star Trek and Star Wars. It's been around longer than television. Longer than motion pictures. Longer than the printing press. Longer than written language. Even longer than spoken language. Okay, that's pushing it. But, still, it's been around a long freaking time. It might very well coincide with the advent of storytelling itself which is probably more than 50,000 years ago. So, like I said, a long freaking time. Am I taking you all too seriously, or do some of you actually believe that the concepts/themes being discussed in this thread originated in the late-20th century with Lucas and/or Roddenberry? Lucas has openly acknowledged for years Joseph Campbell's influence on Star Wars.
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Old 12-07-2008, 08:52 AM
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Q, I think tej was saying that after the Original Trilogy (what we now know as Eps IV-VI), those questions remained unanswered.
Sorry. I get it now. "OT in SW" means Original Trilogy. So he was really decribing the justification for episodes I-III. I was having a hard time believing someone could watch I-III and still have those questions!! I better read posts closer next time. Thanks for straightening me out
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Old 12-07-2008, 10:19 AM
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OT = Original Trilogy
PT = Prequel Trilogy

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Old 12-07-2008, 07:36 PM
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I'm sorry, but did you just say Star Trek invented the concept of Good .vs. Evil? That Gene Roddenberry invented the concept of time travel in science fiction? And you think fans of other science fiction series are "ignorant"!
Gene Roddenberry and George Lucas have something in common. They look to the past for their stories.

H.G. Wells comes to mind for Time Travel
Jules Verne comes to mind for Space Travel

Those two wrote on those subjects long before Lucas and Roddenberry were born. Just to show that Sci-Fi did not start with ST or SW, beside Wells and Verne there are many more that can be listed.

Lucas keeps it no secret that he is a thief when it comes to his films, they are things he enjoyed in his youth...... Zorro, Tarzan, Film Seriels and Akira Kurosawa to name a few.

Roddenberry had a great love for history. It showed in many of the shows he worked on. Check out the episodes of "Have Gun Will Travel" that he wrote.
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