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Old 12-05-2008, 01:00 PM
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Default Star Wars or Star Trek?

A troubled, rebellious young man destined to be a hero - Kirk/Luke

A mentor - Pike/Obiwan

An evil foe - Nero/Vader

A gigantic machine to destroy a planet - laser drilling machine/Deathstar

Epic space battles

Anyone else noticed any plot similarities, I'm sure there's more?
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Old 12-05-2008, 01:19 PM
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A troubled, rebellious young man destined to be a hero - Kirk/Luke

A mentor - Pike/Obiwan

An evil foe - Nero/Vader

A gigantic machine to destroy a planet - laser drilling machine/Deathstar

Epic space battles

Anyone else noticed any plot similarities, I'm sure there's more?
Well, what you're noticing isn't that one of these movies is like the other; the similarities are due to both films' plots being examples of what is known as High Fantasy. Although some things common to High Fantasy have been "made-over" in line with the films' settings (for instance, strange races like elves and orcs are replaced with aliens, magic exists in a practical sense but it is depicted as "technology", etc), the more over-arching themes of High Fantasy (the hero's coming-of-age, a wise mentor, the battle between Good and Evil with Good winning, etc) remain.

The fact is, there are really only so many truly different stories out there (the exact number is disputed, but the factuality of the statement is not). Hollywood makes hundreds of movies and people write thousands of books because there are infinite ways of retelling those stories so that they sound fresh and different.
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Old 12-05-2008, 01:31 PM
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Terminator

Bad guy from the future travels back to alter the timeline.
Good guy comes back from the future to stop bad guy.
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Old 12-05-2008, 03:02 PM
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Yeah, but by the end of the OT in SW, there were still so many unanswered questions. What made Anakin turn, how did he go from what was described as a loyal Jedi/dear friend into the killer of Jedi/murderer of his friend, I always wondered how the Empire rose up from the Republic's ashes...

We really don't have the overarcing questions in Trek, they've all been answered. Nero is a deranged sociopath bent on killing any peace between his people and the Federation, the Federation was founded in 2161 after a 5 year war between Earth/Allies and the Romulan Empire, the Enterprise comes from a long lineage of ships bearing that name, Kirk is going to be captain, etc...

When ANH came out, we didn't know much about Luke/anyone else.

You could compare TrekXI to the SW prequels, because we knew what had to happen there, and we know what has to happen here.
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Old 12-05-2008, 05:49 PM
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Yeah, but by the end of the OT in SW, there were still so many unanswered questions. What made Anakin turn, how did he go from what was described as a loyal Jedi/dear friend into the killer of Jedi/murderer of his friend, I always wondered how the Empire rose up from the Republic's ashes....
Really? After episodes I thru III you couldn't answer these questions?

I do think it should have taken more to turn Anakin than what we saw in the movie. I thought it is one thing to want to save your loved one, but to go completely evil and kill younglings!!! Too much for me.

As for the subject of this thread:Yes, there are similarities. I believe others have covered the explanation very well.
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:26 PM
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Q, I think tej was saying that after the Original Trilogy (what we now know as Eps IV-VI), those questions remained unanswered.
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:35 PM
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Was this posted? Still relevant to the topic at hand.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfv4hBXPzSM
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i d say that terminator and wars storylines are no match for star trek cause star wars stole a lot of ideas from trek (evil-good concept) and terminator the time travel - go and alter the future concept which had been seen in trek long before it,people tend to remember more wars and terminator than trek cause they are ignorrant and they forget
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i d say that terminator and wars storylines are no match for star trek cause star wars stole a lot of ideas from trek (evil-good concept) and terminator the time travel - go and alter the future concept which had been seen in trek long before it,people tend to remember more wars and terminator than trek cause they are ignorrant and they forget
Pretentious reasoning.

Star Trek stole from Forbidden Planet then.


(rest of message deleted because what I have to say beyond this just isn't very pleasant).
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i d say that terminator and wars storylines are no match for star trek cause star wars stole a lot of ideas from trek (evil-good concept) and terminator the time travel - go and alter the future concept which had been seen in trek long before it,people tend to remember more wars and terminator than trek cause they are ignorrant and they forget
I'm sorry, but did you just say Star Trek invented the concept of Good .vs. Evil? That Gene Roddenberry invented the concept of time travel in science fiction? And you think fans of other science fiction series are "ignorant"!
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