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Old 12-05-2008, 02:36 PM
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I beg to differ.
Drama in television always comes down to those factors. That's why House, Boston Public, Desperate House Wives, ER, Grey's Anatomy win awards for Best Drama. Drama often involves deep emotional Brick-wall issues. Trek doesn't do that.

When Satie Yells out " I've brought down bigger men than you Picard!"

As the Admirals behind her walked out of the room after the outburst...you knew that they knew....this woman wasn't right. And as Picard's gaze drops away you can tell that he knows too. The tension...seemed to break that had been building for 5 Acts.

It was perfect. It was Drama for the sake of the Plot.

Darmok was the same way.
I've never felt more exhilerated when Picard walked onto that Bridge and held the knife out and said. "Darmok, and Jalad... at Tanagra!"

I thought "wow"...he understands. And the Captain died just to get Picard to understand his language. Amazing.




That's why Trek Drama is often superior to soap drama.





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I do like most of Trek. (series wise) I have lots of nitpicks. Some matter, some don't but I have always held trek to a high standard. For the last 15 years Trek has sunk bellow the standard set by the Next Generation.
That's a nice post and you're right, that's the problem with most drama these days. It always comes down to two people shouting impassioned at one another and we're supposed to take it as drama. Fireworks, that's all it is. It reminds me of that line in Amadeus where Salieri is talking about Mozart's first opera he wrote for the emperor. He said there were too many notes, scales going up and down, like fireworks in a fairground.

Well he was jealous and he was wrong, that movie is a great example of well written drama and his description of fireworks at a fairground pretty much sums alot of the crap you have on film and tv today. Trek at its best stays away from this and episodes like The Drumhead, Darmok, The InnerLight, Family, even Where Silence Has Lease, show this at its best.

There aren't too many "You can't handle the truth!" moments in Star Trek.
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Old 12-06-2008, 08:42 AM
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So what does this say about that whole "unbalanced/symmetrical/aerospace/thrust correction debate we had?
It says that we were having a debate about a fictional propulsion system in a fictional universe, while trying to relate to what we know as science fact in the 21st century. Interesting stuff.
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Old 12-06-2008, 02:58 PM
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I'm going wit that.
A. Final Answer.
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Old 12-06-2008, 03:24 PM
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So what does this say about that whole "unbalanced/symmetrical/aerospace/thrust correction debate we had?
It says that while warp drive may be beyond our current science, Impulse aka Fusion Based Propulsion isn't. It says that the "thrusters" on any starship, will be based off currently known science.

Hydrogen is still Hydrogen, whether it be seconds after the Big Bang, at the Birth of the Earth, in the 20th Century, or in the 23rd Century. So goes it with the FCS systems of the Enterprise. The thrusters are merely more powerful versions of the ones on the Mercury Space Capsules.
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Old 12-06-2008, 08:06 PM
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That's funny - while it's perfectly obvious that something like a starship needs an attitude control system similar to the OMS on the shuttle, I've never seen it mentioned on any show just what that system entails. It may not use a hydrogen/oxygen reaction at all. In a show in which warp speed and transporters are possible, surely a more efficient maneuvering system has been developed.
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Old 12-06-2008, 08:43 PM
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The RCS system may be ion based. I dunno, just throwing ideas out there.
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Double post. Blame my mouse.
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Old 12-06-2008, 09:01 PM
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Jer and I will be stepping off to the side to have an adult moment where we appreciate each other thoroughly...
Where is Zardoz with the sexually charged comment I'm sure he would have made to that post? LOL

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When you're serving up the impossible, you better wrap it in as much plausible as you can, or ain't nobody gonna swallow it.
I agree, but just the basics. Gravity, an object in motion stays in motion, etc.

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Warp...coils...not...REAAAALLL!?!?!?!?!

SAY IT AIN'T SOOOOO!

But seriously. The whole "it's not real" thing, it's getting old. We all know it's not real. We all know it's make believe. That's why it's called Science "FICTION". Get over it. You're not being funny anymore. It's bordering on insulting and patronizing. This is a discussion board. We are discussing a fictional universe. Even in a fictional universe, there are still rules.
First time I have mentioned this, so I don't see how it's "getting old".

Thank you for making my point again. We're dealing with a FICTIONAL universe.

And in a FICTIONAL universe, there are no rules. You can make up whatever you want. Maybe you were thinking of NON fiction?

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I was actually hoping that no one would draw attention to those comments. Stating the obvious is often used as a point of ridicule and ridicule serves no logical function.
It's emotionalism.

Science Fiction is about science.
Ridicule is about Drama

I know I'm in the right forum and thread for talking about Science.
If they want to start Drama they can do it among themselves.
You've been told many times (and you know who by) to stay within the topic of the thread. This thread was about canon...not warp theory. There are many science threads out there that you can take your discussions to.

In otherwords, you are NOT in the right forum or thread for talking about science.

BTW, science fiction is not about science...it is about speculation of science, not real, in-practice science.
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Old 12-07-2008, 06:31 AM
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Being a newb to this here forum, I wasn't aware of the actual general plot of STXI. After reading this thread, and the kind spoiler too, I have to admit I've changed my opinion. I'm going to see it after all; the ANBE raises a whole new realm of possibilities for TOS fans like me. And could explain why my friend, who poo'd the idea of seeing it, might be wrong.
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