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Old 11-23-2008, 03:44 AM
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Star Trek
Rap
Cool

DOES NOT COMPUTE

C'mon guys, I love Trek, but I'm never going to mistake it for cool.
Trek was never intended to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It was never supposed to be cool. Hell, it almost didn't get made in the first place because it aimed higher than 'cool.' Because NBC's studio execs didn't think it'd appeal to the average couch-denting pair-o-cheeks.

Every attempt to turn it into dumbed-down whizbang fluff has had increasingly disastrous results.

And if it's not dead yet, it's sure as hell walking the mile between here and May.
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Old 11-23-2008, 03:46 AM
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Again saying that canon has been thrown out the window is an overexaggeration. Is the Enterprise exploring brave new undiscovered underwater places in Earth's oceans? Does Spock have a sex change operation?

Give it a rest.
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Old 11-23-2008, 03:51 AM
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Yes, your hostility toward people who actually care is noted. If discussions like this upset you, no one's forcing you to participate in them.
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Old 11-23-2008, 03:54 AM
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Probably. I guess I'll belly up to the firing line. LONG LIVE STAR TREK!!!!!!!!! (TOS, that is.)
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:04 AM
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LOL! You Should Use That In School When Your Teacher Tells You To Write A Poem!
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:06 AM
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Trek was never intended to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It was never supposed to be cool. Hell, it almost didn't get made in the first place because it aimed higher than 'cool.' Because NBC's studio execs didn't think it'd appeal to the average couch-denting pair-o-cheeks.

Every attempt to turn it into dumbed-down whizbang fluff has had increasingly disastrous results.

And if it's not dead yet, it's sure as hell walking the mile between here and May.
Trailers tend to have more fluff than the actual movie and even grossly misrepresent what the movie really is. Look at the trailer for "X Files: I Want to Believe". The trailer led us to believe the movie the movie was loaded with action and special effects. What we got instead was a more thought provoking, character driven, dialogue driven, movie that actually backfired for the movie's sake.

Bringing this back to Star Trek check out all the past trailers. Even TMP's trailer which is the least action packed of them all, seemed to load up the trailer with sfx and romance.

All of the movies were created with the intention of broadening its viewership. And really it worked. Many Trekkies can attribute the movies for bringing them into the world of Trek instead of the old tv shows.

Yes, while Trek was more thought provoking even the old tv shows were pulling things that Mainstream media was pulling. "Sex sells" even in the world of Star Trek. From scantily clad alien women to the female starfleet uniforms themselves. It was meant to draw in more audience members.

Back to Abrams. I have yet to see one of his pieces that's simply all fluff and no substance. There is a lot of fluff but tons of substance underneath, which makes him a good candidate to helm a Star Trek project.

Heck, look at the movies that are said to be the best by Trekky standards. Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, First Contact... movies that anyone can easily see that they've loaded the movies with more action and suspense to draw in more audiences. It's often said of First Contact that you don't have to be a Star Trek fan to enjoy the movie. Really? Why is that?
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:08 AM
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Yes, your hostility toward people who actually care is noted. If discussions like this upset you, no one's forcing you to participate in them.
Who is this in response to? How does my post reflect a symptom of being upset?
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Great poem! You're pretty talented. I've always envied people who could write poetry and song lyrics. Funny though, I didn't see a rap song there. I was actually thinking of the melody of The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald as I was reading it. I tried to come up with something Country-Western, but the other tune seemed to fit better.
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I was thinking it could be like Don MacLean's "American Pie."
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Old 11-23-2008, 06:40 AM
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Yes, your hostility toward people who actually care is noted. If discussions like this upset you, no one's forcing you to participate in them.
It's worse than I thought. He's started talking to himself.
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