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Old 11-21-2008, 02:07 PM
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I don't think it is actually degrading. A few years ago there only were talk shows, now they have improved to bad crime and court shows or things like that.

The point is, that there are more channels and all of them sending 24 h/day. They have to fill more time than in the past.

The average might still be the same as in the past, maybe even a little better.

But I have the impression that the really, really good things become fewer. Maybe it's some kind of free rider problem, every producer loves to watch and make quality shows, but no one wants to pay for it when he can get almost the same ratings with cheap productions. And so it becomes worse.
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Old 11-21-2008, 02:18 PM
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OK, then it's perhaps just harder to find the perls because there is more mud.
I think we can really learn from the Americans, blockbusters who are fun but also of decent or even great quality. It does not have to be either or.
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Old 11-21-2008, 04:14 PM
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At least concerning private television.

There still are good series and good movies. Unfortunatelly not from the private channels and these who exist don't have ratings that are good enough to make private channels the competition it would need. Until now competition is solely cost based. It also could be based on quality, too, if the audience would choose more carefully.
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Old 11-21-2008, 04:34 PM
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One of my friends after seeing the trailer:
"If I wouldn't know that this is Star Trek, then after seeing this trailer I would probably watch it. But I've never liked Star Trek, so I'm not interested."

I guess the marketing campaign has to point out that this will be different
Well, to be fair... Star Trek has earned itself a pretty sorry reputation, especially in recent times, and the rabidity of the fanbase is a large part of what deters people. When someone says they're not interested, and a fan feels compelled to convert them with talk of ideology and hope for the future and a compelling tale of heroism... gives it almost a religious feel, but without the longevity and financial backing that make organised religion a safer option

I've encountered mixed opinions on the new trailer at other the fora I frequent. I didn't start those threads, but they garned a range of reactions. Some people - both fans and non-fans - are interested. Some think it looks cheesy and laughable. One said that it looks worse than the Lost in Space remake from a decade ago, and that it'd look bad as a remake of that remake.

Trek has stigmatized itself pretty badly, and shaking that off will be hard. That's part of why the new movie can't simply mire itself in 'canon', with no content aside from two hours of references to trivia from the other shows and movies. But what made Trek originally popular - the sense of adventure, the heroism, and the idealism - can still be there in force, without detracting from the experience for either new viewers or old fans.

It won't work if it's just a "generic sci-fi movie". The most recent Trek shows and movies were generic sci-fi, and failed to spark public interest. Since this film's meant to revive and reinvigorate the series, then we can only assume/hope that it's going to be both exciting and compelling. Accessible enough for the uninitiated, but still aware of its roots.
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:42 PM
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whoever feels that the star trek fanbase is stagnant hasn't been to any conventions lately. I was at one last year and sure it was mostly geeky boys and girls in their teens/twenties but there were a fair number of kids, some of who couldn't have been more than 7 years old, absolutely crazy about TNG (It warmed my heart) 20 years and its still gaining fans. Lets face it people, Trek is never going to appeal to your pop culture diva or fratboy jock. To make it try to do that is a mistake. Trek has been kept alive by Trek Geeks like us! for 40 years and you know who will continue to keep it alive? Trek geeks like us. Right now there are young people out there who love science who love learning...who are watching Stargate Atlantis and The Sarah Connor Chronicles and what have you, and have never seen an episode of Star Trek in their lives and I almost guarantee you If I sat them down in front of Balance of Terror, or Where No One Has Gone Before.. or a certain story about self sealing stembolts they would be entertained if not compelled, because its in their character.

You loose a lot when you water down a wine so that it appeals to everyone, lets not water down Star Trek please.
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