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Old 11-21-2008, 12:27 PM
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Update: his reason is that he thinks it'll be too much fiction and he doesn't think our future will be anything like Trek.
I think in Germany there is a problem connected closely to that aspect and going beyond any Anti-Trek predjudices:
Scifi isn't really recognized as "serious" television.
That's why they made TOS to a children's serie. That's why you hardly see any Scifi production on "serious" TV Channels or made by these.
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Old 11-21-2008, 12:38 PM
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And Bully is on all Germans' minds when they see Spock...
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Old 11-21-2008, 01:08 PM
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And Bully is on all Germans' minds when they see Spock...
I even wouldn't say that influence is that big. Bully just took an already existing image for his jokes.
And the cult Star Trek is a lot older anyway.

BTW: I personally like Mittermeier's parody better, who actually is a trekkie and you recognize in his jokes that he watched the show.


But anyhow you get the impression that some people in Germany actually believe scifi couldn't be more than simple entertainment Or is there any single Scifi production on 3sat or Arte?
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Old 11-21-2008, 01:15 PM
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True, no German sci-fi movies or TV, except for Metropolis or Raumschiff Orion
I am not aware of any good sci-fi writers either.
The difference between Germany and the US is probably not the clichée that sci-fi has to be trash but rather that they produce more sci-fi. On the other hand it is true that amongst genres like sci-fi, horror or fantasy a lot of trash exists, but there are always a few great authors; no one can deny that an Asimov, King or Tolkien are world class writers.
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I don't think the film subsidy fund (whatever it is called in English) would support scifi productions. And the private ones are forgettable anyway.
So the amount of quality scifi also has something to do with the opinion about the potential of quality.
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Old 11-21-2008, 01:32 PM
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They tried to relaunch Space Patrol, but failed
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Sure, publically funded TV and movies are of higher quality, but couldn't it be that the commitment of public TV to produce HQ crowds out HQ in private TV companies? So when public TV would not exist anymore, they would produce better stuff?
Just a thought, on the other hand, there is also a lot of trash in public TV, only 3sat and arte deserve their money. It's always hard to judge whether cultural productions should be a government job, there wouldn't be any theatres without but on the other hand, if people don't wanna spend their money for a theatre visit, there might emerge more film adaptions or stage recordings of dramas.
At least concerning sci-fi, the American way works better than ours of self-sustaining believes.
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So when public TV would not exist anymore, they would produce better stuff?
No.
It doesn't sell.
Sat1 or RTL tried a few years ago, a very high quality serie, best criticisms, nobody watched it. Total failure.
I guess those who like high quality TV are either too few or already lost, it would need big efforts to gain them back.
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Old 11-21-2008, 02:00 PM
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Is it only my impression or is the quality degrading further and further in the last years? A few years ago, there were like one or two good movies per week and nowadays there are only casting and talkshows. One can really do interesting talk in TV, if one takes two people instead of several. Alexander Kluge does great stuff, satirical one and serious interviews where he is very engaged and not as passive as conventional interviewers. Commercial TV sends his shows usually around midnight because they gotta have a certain fraction of 'culture' in their program, Perhaps the simple solution is simply to increase the fraction and force them to send more good stuff.
Here a link to one of his satirical interviews, in case you don't know him, Kluge is the on in the off:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzs-JbwzJAE
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