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Old 11-17-2008, 09:48 AM
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:21 AM
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Canon is for the birds.

If you lock yourself into something like Canon you're asking for creative deadlock.

And that's all it is guys...a story. People take show history way too seriously. And honestly that's why Trek nerds get a bad rap...they take this stuff WAY too seriously.
I believe canon only equals creative deadlock when you do prequels. If the timeline in ST moved forword there could plenty of opportunities to give ST a facelift. Also, by moving the timeline forward you aren't destroying canon you're creating new canon.
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:31 AM
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I believe canon only equals creative deadlock when you do prequels. If the timeline in ST moved forword there could plenty of opportunities to give ST a facelift. Also, by moving the timeline forward you aren't destroying canon you're creating new canon.
Yeah that's true.

But folks were tired of Trek the way it was. Hence it was taken off the air.

Abrams and Orci and Kurtzman sat down and realized the one that about Trek that was killing it: TECHNOBABBLE.

Every ep of Voyager for example..they needed to rely on their tech to save the day and it almost always did.

And that kinda turns off even the most hardened of Trek fans. I know it did me. There was BARELY any character development in Voyager...it was almost always a lightshow.

Now...DS9 in contrast...that show was amazing as far as character development...but it was very stale in the area of exploration.

I think the only TRUE trek that mixed action, character development, and exploration was TNG...and that felt too CLEAN imo. It was like the Marriott Hotel in space with Photon Torpedoes and Phasers.

This new Trek looks very interesting to me in the way of it's been brought back down to Earth so to speak. It looks more...human imo. That's the appeal...that's why you have people like Paris Hilton saying I want to see Star Trek. That's what is going to save this franchise...not the hardened Trek Nerd...but the casual viewer that really doesn't know JACK about the canon and just wants to have a good time.

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Old 11-17-2008, 10:32 AM
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I think in the end, the Enterprise crew will get the five year mission and perhaps with the captain's log.
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:57 AM
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Yeah that's true.

But folks were tired of Trek the way it was. Hence it was taken off the air.

Abrams and Orci and Kurtzman sat down and realized the one that about Trek that was killing it: TECHNOBABBLE.

Every ep of Voyager for example..they needed to rely on their tech to save the day and it almost always did.

And that kinda turns off even the most hardened of Trek fans. I know it did me. There was BARELY any character development in Voyager...it was almost always a lightshow.

Now...DS9 in contrast...that show was amazing as far as character development...but it was very stale in the area of exploration.

I think the only TRUE trek that mixed action, character development, and exploration was TNG...and that felt too CLEAN imo. It was like the Marriott Hotel in space with Photon Torpedoes and Phasers.

This new Trek looks very interesting to me in the way of it's been brought back down to Earth so to speak. It looks more...human imo. That's the appeal...that's why you have people like Paris Hilton saying I want to see Star Trek. That's what is going to save this franchise...not the hardened Trek Nerd...but the casual viewer that really doesn't know JACK about the canon and just wants to have a good time.

My 2 cents.
Agree, except:

I've only seen maybe 10 episodes of Voyager and I don't like it. But you said one of the problems with Voyager was that it was a lightshow. I'm just saying but blockbuster movies are usually nothing but lightshows . I also don't have any respect for casual viewers. They throw their money at whatever shiny object is out there. They might make this new movie a success but I can guarantee you that they won't keep ST alive like the fans have.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:29 PM
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Regarding the ending, I know it's sheer speculation, but the nostalgic in me is hoping for a similar ending to TMP and TUC, with the crew in place on the bridge, and the E warping out.

But if that's not it, I'm not unduly bothered.
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:30 PM
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We've heard rumor inklings about such an ending before. I think there's a good chance of it unfolding in some way like your scenario.
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