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Old 11-13-2008, 09:41 AM
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But this ship? Lets see. As soon as I get used to the sight of a human shoulder put out of joint I will let you folks know.
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Old 11-13-2008, 09:42 AM
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all i have to say is that i respect your opinions,and that includes yours botany bay,but.....i love the new ship
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I think you're wrong. People are losing the fundamental truths of Trek in the trivial details of a movie -- a "can't see the forest for the trees" scenario at its worst. I have said it many times before, but once more won't kill me: Trek is bigger than ship design, uniform design, who went to the Academy with who and when, etc. Trek (in all its incarnations) is the stories, the people, the wonder of exploring the unknown. It is literally the embodiment of everything humanity has thought since the first erect humans looked up at the stars and wondered what the heck they were and what was out there. The trivial details of a movie, the overzealous canon purists ... they won't change what Trek is at its most fundamental.
That's why I think the rules on what is canon need to change. Instead of everything that is on screen is canon, the stories are canon but the visuals aren't. That way each new director could imagine ST in his own way. BTW this forum reminds me a lot of the Dune novels forum. Dissent will not be tolerated, dissent means you are stuck in your old ways.
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That's why I think the rules on what is canon need to change. Instead of everything that is on screen is canon, the stories are canon but the visuals aren't. That way each new director could imagine ST in his own way.
Brace yourselves, I think that scenariO....is happening right...now.
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That's why I think the rules on what is canon need to change. Instead of everything that is on screen is canon, the stories are canon but the visuals aren't. That way each new director could imagine ST in his own way.

you re right,you re sooo right
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Old 11-13-2008, 09:53 AM
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But it needs to be official or something. As it stands right now the new movie is really ****ing with canon.
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I think you're wrong. People are losing the fundamental truths of Trek in the trivial details of a movie -- a "can't see the forest for the trees" scenario at its worst. I have said it many times before, but once more won't kill me: Trek is bigger than ship design, uniform design, who went to the Academy with who and when, etc. Trek (in all its incarnations) is the stories, the people, the wonder of exploring the unknown. It is literally the embodiment of everything humanity has thought since the first erect humans looked up at the stars and wondered what the heck they were and what was out there. The trivial details of a movie, the overzealous canon purists ... they won't change what Trek is at its most fundamental.
The fundamentals are the same for Star Trek, Stargate and a dozen other exploration and science fiction stories. The details are what make it Star Trek as opposed to any of the others. We like Star Trek because we like "Jason & The Argonauts" told this particular way.

Star Trek fans aren't killing Star Trek by leaving. Star Trek's rein holders are killing Star Trek by leaving the fans.
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Old 11-13-2008, 09:58 AM
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We have been designated "BOO BIRDS" , "PURIST" for having good taste...NIEN! For having any taste at all!

How foul...

Oh...how shall one counter-attack this FIRST STRIKE on the discriminating pallete?
It's as though normal people have gone Trek-DRUNK!
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A darkness has befallen the Trek Universe. A small group of supporters have been blindsided it seems by an onslaught of verbal venom spewed from zealots with a narrow focus on the future of a legacy.
How many threads whining about fans whining can this board support? Yes, I am disappointed in the design of the bridge and the ship. Yes, I love the look of the cast and crew and uniforms. Yes, I will go see the movie, probably many many times. But to attack others with name calling and insults for giving their opinions on an open forum, I think is unnecessary. Can people go overboard with their criticisms? Sure. But that's what you get in a public place like this. If you don't like what they say, ignore it. I don't think we need to have a dozen threads complaining about it.

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I dun know, Captain Mouse. First of all, Star Trek fans come from so many different backgrounds, different countries, different cultures, generations, political sides... impossible to reach a consensus. And who really would want a consensus anyway? Consensus is lame, unreal, impossible to reach no matter what the subject is. Wherever there is a consensus there will also be something foul. I dont trust consensus.

However, the fact that some fans dont like the new ship... wasnt that to be expected?

I dont like the ship either. I hate it. It makes me sick. Not for being new, just for hurting my eyes. Looking at it feels like watching someone puting his own shoulder out of joint and back again - its sickening.
But thats me and my very personal taste.

Whenever there is something new you will have people that like it and people that hate it. It just sucks to be the one that hates the new thing.

However, I do love what I hear about the story of the movie so far. Means, I may love the movie for the characters, the adventure the story.

But this ship? Lets see. As soon as I get used to the sight of a human shoulder put out of joint I will let you folks know.
I by no means am looking for concensus. That is one can 'o' worms left unopened. I was more or less curious. I have seen what had potential go out the door because of negative fan reaction...uh scratch that..."public reaction."

Who hear remembers Buck Rogers or The Six Million Dollar Man? Or even the great Superman boycott in Sweden?
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