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Old 10-23-2008, 07:46 AM
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I vote for the name: Joshi Class!
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Old 10-23-2008, 08:50 AM
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NX Class (2150-2161)
Daedulus Class (2161-2195?)
xxx Class (2195-2235?)
Constitution Class (2235-2293)

Where does the Bonaventure class fit in? the USS Kelvin looks nothing like the Bonaventure
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NX Class (2150-2161)
Daedulus Class (2161-2195?)
xxx Class (2195-2235?)
Constitution Class (2235-2293)

Where does the Bonaventure class fit in? the USS Kelvin looks nothing like the Bonaventure
Well, since there are multiple classes of ships operating at any one time, this is a moot point. My guess is, based on the technology in display as well as ship design shown in the pics of the Kelvin, this ship is far after ENT but several years before TOS/The Cage era.
The ship itself looks fairly close to the TOS era (in comparison to the Enterprise shown in the teaser). However, the Kelvin has old styled (as in ENT) cannon style phasers (phase cannons). So I would guess this ship is no more than 25-30 years older than the Enterprise at the time of The Cage.
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Were does the idea that the Kelvin is 100 years earlier than TOS come from?
I think some fans were trying to tie the Kelvin photo to the Earth/Romulan war and its 'established' time frame.

But I don't think that theory works, for many reasons already stated.
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I don't have the links anymore but the idea that the Kelvin is 100 years prior to TOS comes from two interviews placing the Kelvin at the battle starting the movie which is supposed to be in the Romulan War. Multiple sources indicate the Romulan war started in 2155 or 2156.

This does conflict with George Kirk being first officer at that time if you assume this is Jim's father, it could very well be his grandfather though. In many places (including where I grew up) it is common for 2-4 generations to have the same first and last names, differentiated only by middle names.
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I'm not saying the George Kirk is not James Kirk's father, I'm questioning whether the George Kirk on the Kelvin is Kirk's father.
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I don't have the links anymore but the idea that the Kelvin is 100 years prior to TOS comes from two interviews placing the Kelvin at the battle starting the movie which is supposed to be in the Romulan War. Multiple sources indicate the Romulan war started in 2155 or 2156.
I don't recall any quotes from the filmmakers stating a portion of the film takes place during the Romulan War. If you can find such links, I'd sure appreciate the refresh of my memory, thanks!
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James T Kirk born ~2232
Figure a "normal" age for becoming a father is 32, Jim's Dad was born in 2200. Another 32 back = 2168. Well after the end of the Earth-Romulan Wars. However, if you want to make the argument that Starfleet was accepting any 18/19 year old cadets on ships during the war due to a shortage, then you can say 2156-18=2138.

2138 - Kirk's grandfather is born
2185 - Kirk's dad is born
2232 - Kirk is born


You could argue that Starfleet didn't do much for a family life, and James didn't want to put any potential kids through what his dad/he went through with their fathers always away.
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2138 - Kirk's grandfather is born
2155/56 - estimated start date of Romulan War
2185 - Kirk's dad is born
2232 - Kirk is born

Kirk's grandfather would have been 17 if I go by your numbers. Given that they lived appx 30-40 years longer (McCoy being 130 at Farpoint Mission TNG with years still left in him), their average reproduction age might be later as well.
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