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Old 09-15-2008, 06:50 AM
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say both are going to be huge and make alot of money. I think Trek is going to be action heavy and a big blockbuster, and in the process some hard core fans are going to be really upset. However, it is going to set in motion more Trek, just maybe not exactly what some hard core fans really wanted the re-boot to be.

Terminator is going to be Terminator, just like it has been. And Bale at this point is as big a draw (almost....maybe?) as Arnold was at minimum for T3 if not T2.

Anyway my 2 cents.
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The new Terminator movies is what they should have done after 2. But Im afraid its too late and will not do well. Im kind terminatored out.
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The new Terminator movies is what they should have done after 2. But Im afraid its too late and will not do well. Im kind terminatored out.
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Christian Bale is becoming enough of a credible screen presence for people to give something a go simply because he is in it. So it may do well.

The last one was pretty lame.
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To be honest its the part of the Terminator Mythology, if you will, that I've been most interested in seeing. I'll probably go see it knowing my friends they'll drag me to it if nothing else.
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I just noticed: Both films will show someone from the future trying to kill someone from the past - while another one from the future goes back as well and tries to save the timeline...
Similar stories in theaters at the same time?!
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Old 09-15-2008, 09:14 AM
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To be honest its the part of the Terminator Mythology, if you will, that I've been most interested in seeing. I'll probably go see it knowing my friends they'll drag me to it if nothing else.
A agree, the 'present day' side has been played out now, I think moving the setting to after Judgement Day could rejuvenate it. Although they are now just generic actions films trading on Cameron's 1 & 2 foundations, I will still see it.
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I'm curious on what evidence you're basing your prediction? We seem to know so little about both films at this point. I'd enjoy hearing more.

Also, I'm curious how you mean "make more money" -- total box office receipts or profitability over cost?

Ex: T3 only made $150 million domestically... but it cost $200 million to produce. In terms of US box office, it didn't even make back its own cost. It was only with international grosses that it saw much of a profit (total worldwide gross ~ $433 mil). Still, that's only 2.17 ratio of cost/gross income... hardly a great 'moneymaker' in perspective.

T4's budget is also estimated at $200 million, which means its profit-making curve is steeper than TREK's by 25%.
How can I present 'evidence' for something that hasn't happened? The reason that T4 will make more money is for a few different reasons. 1)It's Terminator. And regardless of the last films performance (a mear 433 million USD you say, still over triple what ANY Star Trek film has ever made), it's still a beloved series by the mainstream movie going audience (a luxury that Trek doesn't have anymore).2)Christian Bale. He's box office draw (especially after The Dark Knight). Trek simply doesn't have a name attached to it that can match that. Not even J.J. Abrams name will draw a fraction of what Bale's will. Lets' compare what the series have made so far The Terminator series has pulled in 1.027 billion USD with three movies. Star Trek has made 1.078 billion USD with 10 films. Starting to see where I'm going here? I work in the movie film rental and sales field. I can tell you if you had 100 regular joe's pick either a Terminator film or a Star Trek film to rent or buy, 75 to 80 of them would choose Terminator. It's just the way that it is. Now don't get me wrong, I will be the first person in Seattle to see this. You can take that to the bank! But I understand that my love for something should not cloud my better judgment. Below are the complete box office figures for both series if you want to take a look. First figure: opening weekend. Second figure:US gross. Third figure:worldwide gross. Fourth figure:Budget

12/7/1979 Star Trek: The Motion Picture $11,926,421 $82,258,456 $139,000,000 $35,000,000 6/4/1982 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan $14,347,221 $79,912,963 $96,800,000 $12,000,000 6/1/1984 Star Trek III: The Search for Spock $16,673,229 $76,471,046 $87,000,000 $18,000,000 11/26/1986 Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home $16,881,888 $109,713,132 $133,000,000 $24,000,000 6/9/1989 Star Trek V: The Final Frontier $17,375,648 $52,210,049 $70,200,000 $30,000,000 12/6/1991 Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country $18,162,837 $74,888,996 $96,900,000 $27,000,000 11/18/1994 Star Trek: Generations $23,116,394 $75,671,262 $120,000,000 $38,000,000 11/22/1996 Star Trek: First Contact $30,716,131 $92,027,888 $150,000,000 $46,000,000 12/11/1998 Star Trek: Insurrection $22,052,836 $70,187,658 $117,800,000 $70,000,000 12/13/2002 Star Trek: Nemesis $18,513,305 $43,254,409 $67,312,826 $60,000,000 5/8/2009 Star Trek XI - - - - Totals $756,595,859 $1,078,012,826 $360,000,000 Averages $75,659,586 $107,801,283 $36,000,000


10/26/1984 The Terminator $4,020,663 $38,019,031 $78,019,031 $6,400,000 7/3/1991 Terminator 2: Judgment Day $31,765,506 $204,859,496 $516,816,151 $100,000,000 7/1/2003 Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines $44,041,440 $150,358,296 $433,058,296 $170,000,000 5/22/2009 Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins - - - $185,000,000 Totals $393,236,823 $1,027,893,478 $461,400,000 Averages $131,078,941 $342,631,159 $115,350,000

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Yeah, but Trek still has a couple weeks to get a head start on T4, and as the majority of films will make their biggest figures in the first two or three weekends (likes of Dark Knight is a once in a while exception), so if Trek is going to rake in the box-office it needs to it will already have demonstrated whether it will or not by the T4 release date. So there remains room for both of them to be financially successful.

And there is also the potential for Terminator to stumble - Look at the first Batman films, each one more successful than the other, until Batman and Robin took things too far to tasteless and killed that version of the Batman franchise (despite not making shabby numbers really, just not the kind of numbers the others had).

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Star Trek will be bigger than Terminator, way bigger.
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