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Old 08-31-2008, 01:32 PM
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We already have a discussion about Picard, but what about pIqaD?
For those who don't know, it's the Klingon font.
Up till now, the symbols have been used without making sense in the movies and series. How about this movie?
If you use pIqaD, please have it make sense, so that the fans can analyse the klingon screens, banners and other texts (if such things appear in the film) and translate them.
Here is the pIqaD table from the KLI:

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How are the 'ch', 'gh', 'ng', and 'tlh' pronounced. The way they look in English? This is the first time I've ever seen this chart. Interesting how no 2 symbols resemble each other in the least. Pretty unique for an alphabet.
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How are the 'ch', 'gh', 'ng', and 'tlh' pronounced. The way they look in English? This is the first time I've ever seen this chart. Interesting how no 2 symbols resemble each other in the least. Pretty unique for an alphabet.
Right, so actually a lot of those letters aren't pronounced the way they look. Here's a guide to pronunciation for you. (Oh, and all English examples are based on the western US accent, i.e. what one hears from most international US news anchors).
  • "a" Is pronounced as in the English word "ball."
  • "b" Is pronounced as in the English word "ball."
  • "ch" Is pronounced as in the English name "Charlie."
  • "D" Is pronounced as in the English word "dog," but the tip of the tongue is placed against the roof of the mouth, behind the gums.
  • "e" Is pronounced as in the English word "pen."
  • "gh" Is pronounced as the Klingon "H," but is voiced.
  • "H" in the Scottish word "loch," or the German word "ach."
  • "I" (capital "i") Is pronounced as in the English word "fit."
  • "j" Is pronounced as in the English word "jab."
  • "l" (Lowercase "L") is pronounced as in the English word "lime."
  • "m" Is pronounced as in the English word "mop."
  • "n" Is pronounced as in the English word "not."
  • "ng" Is pronounced as in the English word "ding."
  • "o" Is pronounced as in the English word "open."
  • "p" Is pronounced as in the English word "papa."
  • "q" Is pronounced as the letter "k" in the name "Khan," but using the back of the tongue against the soft palette.
  • "Q" Is pronounced as the Klingon letter "q" followed by the Klingon letter "H."
  • "r" Is pronounced as in the Spanish word "arroz" (this is a rolled or trilled "r").
  • "S" Is pronounced as in the English word "sip," but with the tongue pulled back to the rear of the gums, so that the tip of the tongue points nearly vertically.
  • "t" Is pronounced as in the English word "tip."
  • "tlh" Is pronounced as a "t" followed immediately by an unvoiced "l." In other words, the tip of the tongue stays planted on the roof of the mouth (or the teeth), and the sides of the tongue are lowered as air is forced out of the mouth.
  • "u" Is pronounced as "oo" in the English word "cool."
  • "v" Is pronounced as in the English word "volume."
  • "w" Is pronounced as in the English word "walk."
  • "y" Is pronounced as in the English word "yet."
  • " ' " (Apostrophe) is pronounced as a glottal stop which is quickly released, effectively doubling the previous vowel sound (this is the same effect used in the correct pronunciation of the name of the State of Hawai'i).

I should also point out that capitalization counts in pIqaD--notice that "Q" and "q" are two different letters, and vowels can be put together to change their sound (a search for "tlhIngan vowels" on Google should pull up the deets).

Oh, and while Klingon letters have no known names, the Klingon digits are as follows:
0 = pagh
1 = wa'
2 = cha'
3 = wej
4 = loS
5 = vagh
6 = jav
7 = Soch
8 = chorgh
9 = Hut
10 = wa'maH

You can find lots more by searching for "pIqaD" or "tlhIngan Hol" (Klingon Language) on Google.

Cheers,

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"a" Is pronounced as in the English word "ball."
"o" Is pronounced as in the English word "open."
"S" Is pronounced as in the English word "sip," but with the tongue pulled back to the rear of the gums, so that the tip of the tongue points nearly vertically.
Sorry, but no.
"a" is like in "but" or "Khan", not the o-sound in "ball".
the "o" in "open" sounds like "ou", but the Klingon "o" is just an "o" like in "or".
the Klingon "S" is not like the "s" in "sip", but like the "sh" in "shoot".

http://www.kli.org/tlh/sounds.html
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Right, so actually a lot of those letters aren't pronounced the way they look. Here's a guide to pronunciation for you. (Oh, and all English examples are based on the western US accent, i.e. what one hears from most international US news anchors).
  • "a" Is pronounced as in the English word "ball."
  • "o" Is pronounced as in the English word "open."
  • "S" Is pronounced as in the English word "sip," but with the tongue pulled back to the rear of the gums, so that the tip of the tongue points nearly vertically.…
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Sorry, but no.
"a" is like in "but" or "Khan", not the o-sound in "ball".
the "o" in "open" sounds like "ou", but the Klingon "o" is just an "o" like in "or".
the Klingon "S" is not like the "s" in "sip", but like the "sh" in "shoot".

http://www.kli.org/tlh/sounds.html
Right; I'm familiar with KLI. Let me clear things up.

First, remember that I said, “all English examples are based on the western US accent, i.e. what one hears from most international US news anchors.”

I mention this because I see that you're Bavarian. Most Europeans learn to pronounce English as the British do, but most of the vowels in American English (and quite a few of the consonants) are either completely different, or they don't even exist in British English. Likely having learned British English, it's quite reasonable for you to assume that I've got my sounds mixed up, but I promise that I don't.

In the western American accent, “but” and “Khan” are not pronounced at all the same. The “A” in “ball” in the western American accent is the same sound as in the German word words “Bahn,” “Fußgang,” and “acht.” (I learned German in high school with the help of two students from Essen, NRW).

Secondly, the “O” in “open” is the same as the “O” in “or” … in the western American accent. In fact, in this accent, the only time that there would be an “ou” sound is before an English “W,” as in the phrase “go with.”

Thirdly, whether pronouncing “s” or “sh,” the tongue is still supposed to be pushed to the back of the gums, up to the hard palette. At that point, a modified “s” sounds exactly the same as a modified “sh.” As the KLI site reads regarding S: “[p]ut your tongue where you did for the Klingon D,” and regarding D: “[t]ouch the tip of your tongue to the very top of your mouth, the highest point on your palate.”

So I hope that helps!

Cheers,

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As much as I would like to see Kingons, I think we'll not see that much of them.
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Do Shatner/Nimoy/Lloyd/Okrand/Dorn/Fox etc. speak it the way you are indicating?
They say 'Khan', like 'Bahn', not like 'can'.
Klingon actually uses the british sounds for 'a'...
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