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Old 08-31-2008, 03:53 PM
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But what are you saying?
wow... i didn't think there was a simpler way of putting it.

lets spell it out. in story-telling, the integrity of the story comes first. gimmicks and gratuities (like cameos) are nothing more than crowd pleasers. a good director puts these things in as an afterthought, not as a drisruptive means to tell (and alter) a story. putting picard in and subsequent scenes to explain his presence will do nothing more than send an otherwise honest movie into a cheap-thrills-packed spiral.

if you want to watch picard and friends. go watch TNG.
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I agree. If it doesn't fit the story, characters be damned. Unneeded cameos make a good movie go bad in nothing flat.

And while I'm at it, Generations was the first handoff flick. Apparently that one didn't take, so we have to have another one. Let the TOS actors retire (or RIP) with some dignity. Not including Takei. No dignity left there.

EDIT: IMO, YMMV, LSMFT, blahblahblah.
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wow... i didn't think there was a simpler way of putting it.

lets spell it out. in story-telling, the integrity of the story comes first. gimmicks and gratuities (like cameos) are nothing more than crowd pleasers. a good director puts these things in as an afterthought, not as a drisruptive means to tell (and alter) a story. putting picard in and subsequent scenes to explain his presence will do nothing more than send an otherwise honest movie into a cheap-thrills-packed spiral.

if you want to watch picard and friends. go watch TNG.
Can you rephrase that please?
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My theory is that as the movie starst right after the events of Nemesis Picard will be early in the film. Picard and crew do battle with Nero and are destroyed due to Nero's superior tactical powers.

Nero then goes back in time to destroy Kirk with vastly superior technology and realises before his death that he had made a huge mistake
I would like to see Picard given a sendoff similar to the one they gave Shatner too.
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wow... i didn't think there was a simpler way of putting it.

lets spell it out. in story-telling, the integrity of the story comes first. gimmicks and gratuities (like cameos) are nothing more than crowd pleasers. a good director puts these things in as an afterthought, not as a drisruptive means to tell (and alter) a story. putting picard in and subsequent scenes to explain his presence will do nothing more than send an otherwise honest movie into a cheap-thrills-packed spiral.

if you want to watch picard and friends. go watch TNG.
Yes, c'mon man, spit it out. What exactly are you getting at?
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Old 09-01-2008, 11:09 AM
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i just mean that flooding movies with crowd pleasing cameos tends to damage artistic integrity slightly. let this be a work of its own.
Yes, that's always been one of the franchise's goals: to let each episode, movie, or novel be able to stand on it's own story-wise. If a plot line seems to continue from one timeline to another, at least each individual story can still be understood in it's own context. As it should be!!
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Yes, that's always been one of the franchise's goals: to let each episode, movie, or novel be able to stand on it's own story-wise. If a plot line seems to continue from one timeline to another, at least each individual story can still be understood in it's own context. As it should be!!
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Can you rephrase that please?
maybe in german?
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maybe in german?
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Spocl, hmm.... Havent heard of him. Who is he?
He's Kirkl's Science Officel.
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