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Old 08-19-2008, 07:02 PM
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Well, I've been fascinated by 1984 and George Orwell's mind set. I think there are many topics on this board that have delved into the realms of Stalinist Communism and the stuff of the future.

well, go - start posting... big brother is watching!

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Old 08-19-2008, 10:35 PM
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It's one book I keep meaning to read actually. I'm prompted to go and pick it up soon now.
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:40 PM
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Everyone should read it ...and, if there i some voice in your head that says "we already passed 1984 and it didn't happen" then add this to your thoughts: it didn't happen because we had read the story....but it is still a possibility for the future if we decide not to worry about it....
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:03 AM
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Although the economic shortages and the idea of the Big Brother fitted Stalinism the best, it is not about Communism but about facism in general. Hitler can also be the big brother.
And if you think about Animal Farm, if you have read it, Orwell anticipated the horrors of the 20th century, the century of ideologies. It can like 1984 read in a simple anti-commuistic way, but if you think about the 'elite-pigs', it also makes you wonder about the elites in our countries, are they really the best ones? Why should the smart ones get more money? Sure, they are more productive and have to go to college/university but if you ever worked as simple worker you think about Animal Farm, about the book that showed in the forties what communism really is without ridiculing socialist ideas.
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1984 was more of a situation than a actual time. Shame there's never been a really good filmed version of it.

I would venture to say our time is alot closer to Orwell's predictions, espeically with the losses for freedom in America...
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087803/

There was a movie... Didn't go too big though.
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I thought I remembered John Hurt being in 1984....I forgot that it was, in fact, released in 1984...I guess that was too good to overlook.
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But like "Brave New World" it's dammed near imposible to film.
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I don't think it was ONLY about communism - it could just as easily be about facism.

And if you don't think we're getting very very close to "1984," consider this:

FBI agents can check out what books you take out of the library. Libraries who refused to go along with this program lost their federal funding - and my Dad helped the rest of the library board in my hometown decide to give up the money in favor of freedom. Go Dad!

Count the number of security cameras in cities. Go on line and read about the surveillance cameras in England. They're everywhere!

Walk into any public school and say, "No, I don't want my child to say the Pledge of Allegiance" or even, "I don't want my kid to say 'under God'" and see how well that flies.

We're not going to slip into the abyss overnight - but as long as people say "I don't do anything wrong, so why should I care?" we're headed right into it. After all, what happens in 20 years when we SHOULD overthrow our governments but we can't cause there's a freaking camera on every tree?

Complacency is the biggest enemy of democracy (ok, ok, federated republicanism).
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Stuff like shortage of razor blades seems to reflect commuism at the first glance, but it's not like there were no shortages for simple consumer goods in facist countries like Germany. And the idea of twisting the truth and manipulating the past, well that sounded a hell lot like the Nazi propaganda with its glorification of Germanic. So as a German, I see of course the similarities with my country's facistic past, just like a Russian I guess would first think about Stalin.
And the idea of perpetual war of all against all? That's something Eisenhower warned us about too.

Orwell was the first author who clearly showed the horrors of facism, be it the Hitler or Mussolini or Franco facism or the commuist facism. Everything beyond democracy is facism IMO, whether you label it facism like in the common usual way or communism or autocraty or monarchy. Orwell showed the similarities in a time where ideologies reigned our planet.
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