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Old 08-20-2008, 04:42 AM
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Here is the time travel geek
It's a predestination paradox. Bones bought the watch somewhere, Kirk sells it in the past, so Kirk was predestinated to sell it because McCoy could not have it bought. It's a causality loop and kinda the opposite of the grandfather paradox were you kill your grandfather and thus should not exist anymore but then the grandfather would neither be dead and you would still be alive, but then you were there and killed your grandpa ...
Time travel. From my first day on the job as captain I promised myself I'd never let myself get caught up in one of these God-forsaken paradoxes. The future's the past, the past is the future. It all gives me a headache

But the future is allways someone's past, so is there really a future per say, or is it all perception? (Eats 3 asprins)
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Old 08-20-2008, 04:52 AM
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I just assume all equipment can be located and beamed back aboard any of the future ships.
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One can never become his own grandfather because you only pass 50% of your genome to the next generation... so you share only 25% of your DNA with your grandfather.
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Old 08-20-2008, 10:31 AM
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One can never become his own grandfather because you only pass 50% of your genome to the next generation... so you share only 25% of your DNA with your grandfather.
Sure, tell it to these guys.....ROFL!!!
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Old 08-20-2008, 10:44 AM
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See, I would have figured that the tech was too far advanced for them to really figure out properly. Different power sources, functions etc. When the power supply ran out they would be little more than doorstops. But then what about Scotty leaving a technology formula in the 20th Century. Does that alter the timeline of the tech, or was he then predestined to 'invent' it in the past?

Time travel does give me a headache - that's why I avoid it!!
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I am reminded of Bill and Ted the used the Predestation paradox like crazy!
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Old 08-20-2008, 11:12 AM
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See, I would have figured that the tech was too far advanced for them to really figure out properly. Different power sources, functions etc. When the power supply ran out they would be little more than doorstops. But then what about Scotty leaving a technology formula in the 20th Century. Does that alter the timeline of the tech, or was he then predestined to 'invent' it in the past?

Time travel does give me a headache - that's why I avoid it!!
I think predestination is a cop out. I can take a modern calculator to 1955, and eventually they'll figure it out. Then I can say, I was destined to be there. That's crap. I tampered with time, because there's no record of some guy poping up in 1955.

Or I can take the formula for the Polio vaccine to 1880, same deal.
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Old 08-20-2008, 11:25 AM
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Mission summed it up very nice in a different thread, either you accept the paradoxes and that that everyone can travel back in time and reset everything or you take the multiple universes idea.
From a dramatic perspective, one can take the latter and tell 'what if' stories or one can simply pretend that there are no problems with time travel, that you can give that guy the formula for the improved polyester or that you can help Cochrane with his first flight.
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Old 08-20-2008, 12:27 PM
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I think predestination is a cop out. I can take a modern calculator to 1955, and eventually they'll figure it out. Then I can say, I was destined to be there. That's crap. I tampered with time, because there's no record of some guy poping up in 1955.

Or I can take the formula for the Polio vaccine to 1880, same deal.
it's not so much that I believe in predestination, it's just one of the consequences I can never get my head around due to the different number of time travel theories and potentialities.

It's simpler for me to go with the multiple universe theory. But on time travel I always take the easiest to understand explanation. After all, it's not like the writers sweat over it and they wrote the stuff!
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Suddenly, I think of the movie Barbershop, where the two ne'er do well thieves steal an ATM machine (after much difficulty). And as they drag the ATM off in a truck....

"That's our future behind us!"

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