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Old 08-19-2008, 10:53 AM
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In The Voyage Home after Chekov gets captured and rescued his communicator and phaser are still in the Navy's hands.

Wouldn't they study Chekov's 'toys' and discover how they work and mess up time?

Just something that's been bothering me in my spare time.
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:01 AM
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I would hope that they could locate them (the equipment) with the BoP and send a self destruct/melt signal. Would make sense for their equipment oth ave that for just such a case.

Then they'd be left with a mystery, and no answers.
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:03 AM
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I would hope that they could locate them (the equipment) with the BoP and send a self destruct/melt signal. Would make sense for their equipment oth ave that for just such a case.

Then they'd be left with a mystery, and no answers.
Never thought of that. I just figured they'd have addressed it in the movie. I mean Chekov literally handed them 23rd century technology and didn't even seem to think, "Wait! Bad idea to leave that stuff there with them."
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It was technology that didn't do anything handed to them by someone they thought was crazy. Remember, the radiation had made affected both the communicator and the phaser. It's possible they wouldn't have wasted more than 20 seconds playing with them before disposing of them.
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Maybe when they make an "Area 51" museum we'll see all these things we never though they would have...

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It was technology that didn't do anything handed to them by someone they thought was crazy. Remember, the radiation had made affected both the communicator and the phaser. It's possible they wouldn't have wasted more than 20 seconds playing with them before disposing of them.
Good point the radiation may have fried anything useful..that's possible.

Hmm that could be a discussion point.

In my travels even when I have been presented with something that looks liek a joke, it is still checked out throughly.
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Good point the radiation may have fried anything useful..that's possible.
Thats explains the tech but how do you explain that Kirk sold his glasses but when Spock asks "werent they a gift from McCoy" and Kirk responds with "and they will be again"

Did Kirk forget about the basic's in time travel? That if you leave a future object in the past, when you return to the future it wont suddenly return, otherwise why worry about changing the time line?!?!
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Thats explains the tech but how do you explain that Kirk sold his glasses but when Spock asks "werent they a gift from McCoy" and Kirk responds with "and they will be again"

Did Kirk forget about the basic's in time travel? That if you leave a future object in the past, when you return to the future it wont suddenly return, otherwise why worry about changing the time line?!?!
Agreed. I think the line was supposed to mean that he was responcible for putting the glasses into play to eventually become his gift. But I really agree with you.
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Agreed. I think the line was supposed to mean that he was responcible for putting the glasses into play to eventually become his gift. But I really agree with you.
I think thats what the joke meant. Now some time travel geeks could tell us the name for that paradox. Its like this man traveling back, meeting a girl and becoming his own father.
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I think thats what the joke meant. Now some time travel geeks could tell us the name for that paradox. Its like this man traveling back, meeting a girl and becoming his own father.
Here is the time travel geek
It's a predestination paradox. Bones bought the watch somewhere, Kirk sells it in the past, so Kirk was predestinated to sell it because McCoy could not have it bought. It's a causality loop and kinda the opposite of the grandfather paradox were you kill your grandfather and thus should not exist anymore but then the grandfather would neither be dead and you would still be alive, but then you were there and killed your grandpa ...
Time travel. From my first day on the job as captain I promised myself I'd never let myself get caught up in one of these God-forsaken paradoxes. The future's the past, the past is the future. It all gives me a headache
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