[Chris Fawkes]

Originally Posted by Elizadolots

I think the Pike to Kirk transition, as experience by Spock, is one of the things highest on my list of "things I really want to see".

I also think Pike is going to be a substantial character in the movie, not someone we just see for a few minutes while he hands the keys to Kirk.

I know Quinto has commented that Spock is really having issues with controlling his emotions in the film...I'm going to assume that both Spock's because I cannot even begin to imagine the array of emotions Spock the elder will go through seeing Kirk as he first knew him, and Pike, healthy and whole again....

Agreed.

[horatio]

Originally Posted by Elizadolots

I think the Pike to Kirk transition, as experience by Spock, is one of the things highest on my list of "things I really want to see".

I also think Pike is going to be a substantial character in the movie, not someone we just see for a few minutes while he hands the keys to Kirk.

I know Quinto has commented that Spock is really having issues with controlling his emotions in the film...I'm going to assume that both Spock's because I cannot even begin to imagine the array of emotions Spock the elder will go through seeing Kirk as he first knew him, and Pike, healthy and whole again....

This raises the question of when Kirk and Spock meet the first time, in the Academy or when Kirk takes command. The former seems more logical, after all Kirk and Bones have to meet in the Academy, and Spock's friendship with Kirk and McCoy can hardly just have begun when we see them in TOS.
As much as I appreciate Pike, I wonder how he can have substantial screen time which excluces all 7 but Spock. Or will canon be rewritten and others beside Spock serve under Pike? What will Kirk do in this time, we have not heard anything, that the Farragut will be in the movie.

[Zardoz]

Originally Posted by horatio

This raises the question of when Kirk and Spock meet the first time, in the Academy or when Kirk takes command. The former seems more logical, after all Kirk and Bones have to meet in the Academy, and Spock's friendship with Kirk and McCoy can hardly just have begun when we see them in TOS.
As much as I appreciate Pike, I wonder how he can have substantial screen time which excluces all 7 but Spock. Or will canon be rewritten and others beside Spock serve under Pike? What will Kirk do in this time, we have not heard anything, that the Farragut will be in the movie.

Spock could be a "guest lecturer" at the academy when Kirk is there.

[horatio]

Originally Posted by Zardoz

Spock could be a "guest lecturer" at the academy when Kirk is there.

I just checked on Memory Alpha, Spock is born in 2232, Kirk in 2233 and both start their careers in the early 2250s.
Pike was in command of the E from 2254 until 2265 when Kirk took command.

[Zardoz]

Originally Posted by horatio

I just checked on Memory Alpha, Spock is born in 2232, Kirk in 2233 and both start their careers in the early 2250s.
Pike was in command of the E from 2254 until 2265 when Kirk took command.

So Spock served with Pike for approx 11 years before TOS.

[horatio]

Originally Posted by Zardoz

So Spock served with Pike for approx 11 years before TOS.

I think Sarek's break-up with Spock, his long service under Pike and the friendship (perhaps rusty or just beginning after Kirk takes command, but I can't believe they became not friends in Academy times) with Kirk are the crucial character moments for Spock. Not to mention meeting his future self.
Considering the potential 4 time periods (if they tell a non-linear story, they are more flexible of course)
- Kirk and Spock's childhood & death of Kirk's father on the Kelvin
- Academy years where the troika might meet each other and become friends only to get seperated afterwards
- Spock serving under Pike with no idea so far what the other 2/6 do
- Kirk commanding the E with all 7

I doubt that Pike gets more than 15-20 minutes unless we see Kirk serving on the Farragut and the other 5 somewhere, which would increase the screen time of that period but again reduce Pike's.

[Zardoz]

Originally Posted by horatio

I think Sarek's break-up with Spock, his long service under Pike and the friendship (perhaps rusty or just beginning after Kirk takes command, but I can't believe they became not friends in Academy times) with Kirk are the crucial character moments for Spock. Not to mention meeting his future self.
Considering the potential 4 time periods (if they tell a non-linear story, they are more flexible of course)
- Kirk and Spock's childhood & death of Kirk's father on the Kelvin
- Academy years where the troika might meet each other and become friends only to get seperated afterwards
- Spock serving under Pike with no idea so far what the other 2/6 do
- Kirk commanding the E with all 7

I doubt that Pike gets more than 15-20 minutes unless we see Kirk serving on the Farragut and the other 5 somewhere, which would increase the screen time of that period but again reduce Pike's.

Hmmm...Good ideas. I definately have to think about that.

[Chucky D]

Originally Posted by horatio

I think Sarek's break-up with Spock, his long service under Pike and the friendship (perhaps rusty or just beginning after Kirk takes command, but I can't believe they became not friends in Academy times) with Kirk are the crucial character moments for Spock. Not to mention meeting his future self.
Considering the potential 4 time periods (if they tell a non-linear story, they are more flexible of course)
- Kirk and Spock's childhood & death of Kirk's father on the Kelvin
- Academy years where the troika might meet each other and become friends only to get seperated afterwards
- Spock serving under Pike with no idea so far what the other 2/6 do
- Kirk commanding the E with all 7

I doubt that Pike gets more than 15-20 minutes unless we see Kirk serving on the Farragut and the other 5 somewhere, which would increase the screen time of that period but again reduce Pike's.

Awesome breakdown Horatio!!!!

More Speculation - Not Official Spoiler

I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Pike commands the Enterprise for much of the film while Kirk becomes the stuff that legends are made as he is serving on the Farragaut. Kirk becomes the youngest captain in Starfleet history and would likely need to do some pretty incredible things to attain such an honor. I would imagine we will see these great feats (most likely related to a crisis spurred on by Nero) and Kirk then gets his command of the big E closer to the end of the film.

While Kirk is on the Farragaut, Pike and crew go through their own trials and we see a seasoned and somewhat burned-out Pike promoted to commodore and the young/energetic Kirk brought in to take over. Along the way, Kirk begins relationships with the other 6 but they are not all together until the end when they embark on the beginning of their five-year mission (while setting up the sequel I might add).

[Zardoz]

Originally Posted by Chucky D

Awesome breakdown Horatio!!!!

More Speculation - Not Official Spoiler

I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Pike commands the Enterprise for much of the film while Kirk becomes the stuff that legends are made of while serving on the Farragaut. Kirk becomes the youngest captain in Starfleet history and would likely need to do some pretty incredible things to attain such an honor. I would imagine we will see these great feats (most likely related to a crisis spurred on by Nero) and Kirk then gets his command of the big E closer to the end of the film.

While Kirk is on the Farragaut, Pike and crew go through their own trials and we see a seasoned and somewhat burned-out Pike promoted to commodore and the young/energetic Kirk brought in to take over. Along the way, Kirk begins relationships with the other 6 but they are not all together until the end when they embark on the beginning of their five-year mission (while setting up the sequel I might add).

Could work out that way...not bad thinking there.

[mmoore]

Originally Posted by Zardoz

Could work out that way...not bad thinking there.

That actually fits with what was described by one cast member in an interview a while back. Not to be cryptic or anything ...