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Old 08-11-2008, 05:23 AM
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At least Voyager's down memory lane episode (Shattered) was an excellent episode. One of my top 10.
Wasn't too shabby.
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I know I seem to be in the minority here, but I think Endgame was so good, it could have been a Motion picture! I loved everything about it. I watched it for the first time in May 2007, and sat down and watched it again, I was blown away by it. I love seeing Harry Kim captian his own vessel, Janeway dealing with the death of Chakotay and Seven. The only thing I would have done differently is spent less time on the getting home, and added them actually getting home.
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:12 AM
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I know I seem to be in the minority here, but I think Endgame was so good, it could have been a Motion picture! I loved everything about it. I watched it for the first time in May 2007, and sat down and watched it again, I was blown away by it. I love seeing Harry Kim captian his own vessel, Janeway dealing with the death of Chakotay and Seven. The only thing I would have done differently is spent less time on the getting home, and added them actually getting home.
Yes, it could have been. With an extensive rewrite.
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End game did stop rather suddenly and the two books about what happened after voyager got home were good but I'd have rather seen that on the screen
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:51 AM
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Had Voyager tried to go home through the other end of the Bajoran Wormhole, it would have had to fight its way through the entire Dominion during the height of its war with the Federation. And prior to the Voyager's disappearance, the Federation was already gearing itself for a possible invasion by the Dominion...

Given that the Dominion destroyed an entire Galaxy-class starship, plus an entire Bajoran colony just during its first official encounter with the Federation, a single Intrepid-class ship is unlikely to have fared very well either. The Voyager had better luck with the Borg and the Hirogen. The Jem'Hadar, on the other hand, would have destroyed the Voyager at first sight and that would have been the end of it...

Still, even if the war hadn't been going on, the trip to the wormhole would have taken somewhere about 50 years at maximum warp as the Voyager would still have had to cross much of the Delta and Gamma Quadrants (roughly 50,000 light-years) to get there...
Knowing Janeway, i think she would have risked it, if she knew about it. How could she not know about it? Voyager left DS9 on the way to the Bad Lands in the pilot episode. I think this is a major point that got overlooked. The writers on both shows probably didn't communicate like the FBI and CIA before 9-11. THey probably also wanted to keep both show 'pure', that is, free of contamination of story ideas from the other, but cross-over stories between series i think would have actually helped to increase the popularity of both shows and led to a sharing of viewers. THey do this all the time in comic books. They start the story in one series and continue it in another series, in order to force the comic book buyer of one series to buy a comic from a different series to get them to pick up the habit of buying that other series and vice versa.
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From a simple story telling point of view, I don't think the DS9 wormhole was a closer option for Janeway. Star Trek doesn't always follow these maps. I think she would have taken her chances with the Dominion if that wormhole was an option open to her.
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did they ever in the series, however, mention the possibility of trying the wormhole?
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No. It was never mentioned at all. I think the plan was to head near the centre of the galaxy.

I'm going out on a limb here and this is only a hypothesis, so all you scientific people don't shoot me down in flames. Maybe going the way they did would mean they passed through space with more solar systems in it so more chance of getting extra fuel and supplies.
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Had Voyager tried to go home through the other end of the Bajoran Wormhole, it would have had to fight its way through the entire Dominion during the height of its war with the Federation. And prior to the Voyager's disappearance, the Federation was already gearing itself for a possible invasion by the Dominion...

Given that the Dominion destroyed an entire Galaxy-class starship, plus an entire Bajoran colony just during its first official encounter with the Federation, a single Intrepid-class ship is unlikely to have fared very well either. The Voyager had better luck with the Borg and the Hirogen. The Jem'Hadar, on the other hand, would have destroyed the Voyager at first sight and that would have been the end of it...

Still, even if the war hadn't been going on, the trip to the wormhole would have taken somewhere about 50 years at maximum warp as the Voyager would still have had to cross much of the Delta and Gamma Quadrants (roughly 50,000 light-years) to get there...
Knowing Janeway, i think she would have risked it, if she knew about it. How could she not know about it? Voyager left DS9 on the way to the Bad Lands in the pilot episode. I think this is a major point that got overlooked.
More likely, going to the Bajoran wormhole wasn't considered a viable option from the very beginning.

Another thing to consider is that it was just as risky trying to find the wormhole as it was trying to go the direct route home. Janeway said from the outstart of their trip home that the Voyager would look for other means (including other wormholes and new technologies) that could further them along home--perhaps in less time than it would take crossing both the Delta and Gamma Quadrants to find the Bajoran homeworld. In such a case, Janeway had to gamble and choose the path home that she felt was the best one. Another captain might have chosen something altogether different, but it should be noted that the other Federation starship that was stranded in the Delta Quadrant--the Equinox--also didn't attempt to get home via the Bajoran wormhole either.
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The writers on both shows probably didn't communicate like the FBI and CIA before 9-11. THey probably also wanted to keep both show 'pure', that is, free of contamination of story ideas from the other, but cross-over stories between series i think would have actually helped to increase the popularity of both shows and led to a sharing of viewers. THey do this all the time in comic books. They start the story in one series and continue it in another series, in order to force the comic book buyer of one series to buy a comic from a different series to get them to pick up the habit of buying that other series and vice versa.
Unfortunately, with TV shows that tends to alienate casual audiences which generally leads to declining ratings. DS9 was not as popular as TNG and quite a few people didn't like it simply because it was set on a space station. Also, DS9 and VOY were both not available everywhere (DS9 in syndication and VOY on UPN) which would have made stories that began in one series but ended in another problematic for those many television markets that only had one of the shows...
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