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Old 08-06-2008, 03:31 AM
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True, the Dominion would have ripped Voyager apart
And beat the crap out of Chakotay and Kim.
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Old 08-06-2008, 09:57 AM
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Strictly so should the Borg, the scriptwriters kept that one going for four years. 39 ships lost in the first major battle with the Borg yet Voyager strolls through without a scratch? C'mon.
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Old 08-06-2008, 10:27 AM
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Um they would have if it was not for the threat of 8472
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Old 08-06-2008, 11:07 AM
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They were in about three episodes, Voyager went past them halfway through season 4. The Borg were everywhere for the rest of the series, yet they never became a serious risk to Voyagers safety.
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Old 08-06-2008, 12:21 PM
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One could argue that in their arrogance and supreme confidance, the Borg regarded the Voyager as an insect flying around in their backyard and not really a serious threat ever. At most, it was a plaything for the Borg Queen to amuse herself with once in a while except at the very end.

In comparison, the Jem'Hadar don't play games. They don't make long speeches. They only take prisoners if requested by the Founders or the Vorta, because otherwise, they kill and destroy without hesistation and with extreme prejudice!
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One could argue that in their arrogance and supreme confidance, the Borg regarded the Voyager as an insect flying around in their backyard and not really a serious threat ever. At most, it was a plaything for the Borg Queen to amuse herself with once in a while except at the very end.

In comparison, the Jem'Hadar don't play games. They don't make long speeches. They only take prisoners if requested by the Founders or the Vorta, because otherwise, they kill and destroy without hesistation and with extreme prejudice!
I could accept that in theory, but the whole Borg on Voyager never washed with me. Not after the threat that was made of them in the early days was squandered. Anyway the Dominion would have been quite resilient as well. Although outright war wasn't declared until 2372, a year after Voyager was lost. They could have chanced it.
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It's always possible the female founder would treat the Voyager the same way, particularly if they had one of the 1,000 sent out to explore the galaxy in the little stretch of the Delta Quadrant they would pass through.

Also it was before the war like kelvin said, the Dominion's efforts were in the build up of their force's in the nebula.
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I could accept that in theory, but the whole Borg on Voyager never washed with me. Not after the threat that was made of them in the early days was squandered. Anyway the Dominion would have been quite resilient as well. Although outright war wasn't declared until 2372, a year after Voyager was lost. They could have chanced it.
Certainly Janeway could have chanced it, but I don't think it would have been wise. The Dominion had already been recognized as a major threat to the entire Alpha Quadrant a year before the Voyager was lost.

The Dominion had seized control of the Gamma Quadrant end of the wormhole, with Jem'Hadar forces who had shoot-to-kill orders even before the war officially started.

So Janeway had two possible options--proceed on a direct course for Earth and hope to find the second Caretaker or other means that they can get them home...

...or proceed on a course that actually takes them up to another 50,000 light-years farther away from Earth and hope that the Dominion won't shoot them down along the way to the wormhole (and hope that it's still there by then)...

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It's always possible the female founder would treat the Voyager the same way, particularly if they had one of the 1,000 sent out to explore the galaxy in the little stretch of the Delta Quadrant they would pass through.
That's assuming that the Voyager convieniently picked up one of the 1,000 during its journey and assuming that the Jem'Hadar was aware that there was one aboard an enemy ship before it started firing...
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Also it was before the war like kelvin said, the Dominion's efforts were in the build up of their force's in the nebula.
Hostilities between the Dominion and the other major powers of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants began as early as 2370 with the destruction of the Starship Odyssey and the New Bajor colony. In the three years leading up to the official start of the war, the Jem'Hadar essentially had standing orders to attack any ship from the Alpha Quadrant they encountered.

But it's really a moot point anyway. Even if there hadn't been a war going on, it would have taken the Voyager perhaps up to fifty years to reach the wormhole at maximum warp from its original location near the Ocampa homeworld...
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Old 08-06-2008, 10:49 PM
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I'll go with that, I probably would not have aimed for the wormhole anyway myself, and would have wanted to track the female caretaker first (why did they ruin that storyline so early anyway?). But I probably would have done what someone else suggested and used the array, setting delayed charges on it for after the ship left.
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I'll go with that, I probably would not have aimed for the wormhole anyway myself, and would have wanted to track the female caretaker first (why did they ruin that storyline so early anyway?).
It's sort of a pitfall of doing the "lost/stranded" premise. The writers and producers really couldn't have an easy way for our heroes to get home, because the series would technically be over at that point. So whenever an opportunity arises where they might be able to go home, something always has to go wrong at the last minute to prevent that. It's required to maintain the show's premise as it was the case in "Gilligan's Island".

In the case of the female Caretaker, I agree that they could have handled that one better. It would have been symmetry to have the female Caretaker be the focus of the finale episode, but in a way, the Borg Queen became her substitute instead...

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But I probably would have done what someone else suggested and used the array, setting delayed charges on it for after the ship left.
Smart thinking is not allowed. You should know better.

Of course, had they gone that route, the Voyager wouldn't have been stranded in the Delta Quadrant...
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