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Old 07-31-2008, 09:24 AM
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Brendon freeze,

Have you read Fahrenheit 451? If not go check it out from the library and read it. Deals with book burnings....
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:35 AM
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Brendon freeze,

Have you read Fahrenheit 451? If not go check it out from the library and read it. Deals with book burnings....
And now that Bradbury will shortly reach the age of 88, we seem to be closer to his dystopia than in the fifties. Everytime I see someone with "plugged ears" I have to think about Montag's wife.
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And now that Bradbury will shortly reach the age of 88, we seem to be closer to his dystopia than in the fifties. Everytime I see someone with "plugged ears" I have to think about Montag's wife.
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And if you can't be bothered with the book, there's always the movie, directed by Truffaux (sp?) Excellent bit of work.

There's also Orwell's "1984" where the point is made that when you control what people read, then you control what they think, and what history is...

I'd give you an example of how this is happening today... but we can't talk about political stuff without the thread being stopped dead, and locked away.
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And if you can't be bothered with the book, there's always the movie, directed by Truffaux (sp?) Excellent bit of work.

There's also Orwell's "1984" where the point is made that when you control what people read, then you control what they think, and what history is...

I'd give you an example of how this is happening today... but we can't talk about political stuff without the thread being stopped dead, and locked away.
I thought you liked being locked up....
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And if you can't be bothered with the book, there's always the movie, directed by Truffaux (sp?) Excellent bit of work.

There's also Orwell's "1984" where the point is made that when you control what people read, then you control what they think, and what history is...

I'd give you an example of how this is happening today... but we can't talk about political stuff without the thread being stopped dead, and locked away.
You don't have to be bothered by Bradbury, after all it is rather about his love for books.
But talking abour Orwell, how many books have already been simplified or edited? Newspeak is already among us. What would Shakespeare become if we updated his language to modern English? You don't know how astonished I were when I glanced into an unabridged edition of 'Robinson Crusoe' for the first time in my life, in my children-adaption, they cut off the first chapters and started right off with the ship wreckage.
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I suppose I can see the point of abridging for very young children who wouldn't be able to read the full version. It can be good way of sparking an interest in reading that can lead them on to the original when they are old enough to read it in full. Or adults with reading difficulties who are learning as well. It's not like the originals are no longer available.
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I think that the day i see all forms of literature only in electronic form I 'm going to freak out from it.
Hi, Brendan (et al who have expressed similar sentiments). I remember reading something by Asimov, describing a multi-day seminar he attended on the future of technology. One of the speakers spoke about electronic books, and how useful they would be, and he humourously pointed out Asimov as someone who would be out of a job (since Asimov was well-known for at the time still using a typewriter).

Asimov squirmed a bit, but the next day one of the other speakers cancelled and the organizers prevailed on the good Doctor to stand in. So he gave a talk extending the topic of electronic books, and he described what it would have to be like to be useful. It would
- have to be incapable of running out of batteries
- the user would have to be able to mark his/her place in the book
- the user would have to be able to flip backward or forward to any point in the book
- the display would have to be visible in many different lighting conditions
- the device would have to be small and portable
In conclusion, Asimov said that this technology already exists. It's called...a book.

I don't think we need worry too much.

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Hi, Trekkie. Yeah, I agree that the best way to defeat silly season ideas is through education, not through suppressing the idea (which is impossible anyway). The danger is that public discourse has hardened - people don't debate anymore, they try to verbally bludgeon their opponent into submission. When was the last time you had a discussion with someone that contained a "you know, I hadn't thought of that. Maybe you're right"?

And in principle, there should be some limitations on free speech - for example, in Canada it is against the law to create or distribute literature that advocates hatred or violence against people or a particular group of people. I can get behind that. But I don't think the literature of this type should be destroyed, rather it should be used to illustrate the faulty reasoning and the types of arguments these people use.

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The last book burning I attended (to protest it) was in the early 1980's. A religious group in Colorado Springs was whipping up an anti-book, anti-gay fervor, and they held a book burning of various sex manuals and erotica...Afterward, I kept track of the folks who had promoted the burning: Within several years, the leaders had been arrested for stealing church funds, one for having an affair with an underage choir member, and a third got busted for having child porn on their computer, just a couple years ago...
Hi, FanWriter (and Kevin). Kevin made a comment about the hypocrisy of these people, with which I agree 100%. My feeling is that these people usually know that what they're doing is wrong, that it is insidious, and that they have difficulty defending themselves against it. They probably figure others are just like them, and so they have to defend everyone against this.

Yep, it's hypocritical, despicable, and an expression of neurotic insecurity (the only way they can feel good about themselves is projecting their sins on everyone else, and fighting to eradicate that sin). Pathetic, really.

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I never heard that Asimov story. VERY COOL!!
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I'll just add that many times in the Star Trek series we see the characters reading actual books.

I really don't think books are going away. Audio books and ebooks have their place, but when I want to relax/study I want a book.
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