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Old 07-30-2008, 01:05 PM
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my take on this thread is that it is a discussion of "burning books", so that implies paper books. with the coming of new technolgies, paperproduct books may become museum collector pieces, and information about say "Mein Kampf" or any other subject is kept on electronic devices which take up less room per book. if that is correct, then paperproduct books could be used as landfill material, insulation material, etc.

I am not enthusiastic about the wholesale burning of paperbooks, simply as that is unnecessary pollution.

I think that the day i see all forms of literature only in electronic form I 'm going to freak out from it. I know it saves paper but nothing beats a good old fashioned book. I would want the actual paper in my hand not , the cold feel of technologie. It would be strange to walk into a library and see no book shelves.
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It's more or less scraps of paper. Dangerous scraps if it's something like the Mein Kampf, The Turner Diaries, or the Anarchist Cookbook. It doesn't matter how rambling, outdated, or insane the ideas are. They're symbols against the prevailing order. It worked to create fanatics before. Who says it won't work again?
You have to understand your enemy, not destroy all memories to him and his time.
Only by understanding we can avoid that it happens again.

Destroy "Mein Kampf" and all memories to Hitler and you will have 100 years later someone who writes a similar text and committes similar deeds.
But with the knowledge of Hitler and his deeds, with the knowledge about "Mein Kampf" you can warn the people when it happens again, you can show them the bad results that were created by the 1st book like "Mein Kampf", by the first dictator like Hitler.
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As much as I was tempted to burn my physical chemistry text back in college, I couldn't because I too believe in the symbolism of books as knowledge. Just as book burning in my mind, is a symbol of tyranical dictatorships where certain knowledge and ideas were outlawed. The study of history's mysteries involves the gathering of data, of which at least 90% is in written form. To destroy that data almost seems to be denying the past. We have to accept our history, both the good and the bad. My parent's basement is LOADED with stuff from as far back as the 60s that I couldn't bear to destroy.
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As much as I was tempted to burn my physical chemistry text back in college, I couldn't because I too believe in the symbolism of books as knowledge. Just as book burning in my mind, is a symbol of tyranical dictatorships where certain knowledge and ideas were outlawed. The study of history's mysteries involves the gathering of data, of which at least 90% is in written form. To destroy that data almost seems to be denying the past. We have to accept our history, both the good and the bad. My parent's basement is LOADED with stuff from as far back as the 60s that I couldn't bear to destroy.

ooo sounds like a good yard sale to add to my personal book librarylol
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perhaps the inevitable switching to the more convenient electronic format, makes us more vulnerable to censors.

perhaps hard copies of all books need to be kept.
I think the exact opposit is the case. The internet made censorship much harder. Just ask the music industry! They can tell you how well their efforts to controll their own creative property is going

Your last point is definatly true for the reason a society should ensure their most valuable texts to be preserved. Having libaries is like having Zoos. What one can controll one also can prevent from dying out. And books are far more long living then CD-ROMs.
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that is a good point about electronic deletion on the part of censors, that would probably be easier to accomplish and more secretive than wholesale book burning.

perhaps the inevitable switching to the more convenient electronic format, makes us more vulnerable to censors.

perhaps hard copies of all books need to be kept.
Why do you think Samuel T. Cogley was so enamored of books?
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The last book burning I attended (to protest it) was in the early 1980's. A religious group in Colorado Springs was whipping up an anti-book, anti-gay fervor, and they held a book burning of various sex manuals and erotica. Everything from Doctor Ruth and Alex Comfort, right on up through some of the nastiest adult magazines you could imagine. (which only made me wonder which congregation members contibuted those...) It made for an interesting afternoon, watching these otherwise sensible folks suddenly revert to their "witch burning" roots. Meanwhile, several friends and I stood there, with our little signs that read: "Information is not a sin" and "read, don't burn" but left shortly after the news crews got their footage for the 5:00 broadcast, and chatted up a couple of local reporters.

Afterward, I kept track of the folks who had promoted the burning: Within several years, the leaders had been arrested for stealing church funds, one for having an affair with an underage choir member, and a third got busted for having child porn on their computer, just a couple years ago...

The burning itself was a symbolic gesture. With the kind of mass printings publishers do these days, how could it be anything else? All of those books and magazines still exist. I think book burning has fallen out of fashion, simply because it makes those doing it look bad, and it accomplishes nothing for your cause. (whatever that may be)

Anne Frank is safe. I know that for a fact. (I placed copies of it, and several other controversial books into a time capsule that is buried under the foundation of a bank in Denver.) But, should anyone try to erase her, and her story from history, we run the risk of eventually forgetting the truth that she gave to us at such a great personal cost.

Part of me wants to erase Mein Kampf, and the Turner Diaries... but to do so would be hypocritical. They remain fine examples of how insanity should not be allowed to flourish. Books, and their ideas need to be allowed to exist. But I see no problem in being careful about who is accessing that information, and for what reason.

(You'll notice that even Hogwarts has a "restricted" section... LOL)
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The last book burning I attended (to protest it) was in the early 1980's. A religious group in Colorado Springs was whipping up an anti-book, anti-gay fervor, and they held a book burning of various sex manuals and erotica. Everything from Doctor Ruth and Alex Comfort, right on up through some of the nastiest adult magazines you could imagine. (which only made me wonder which congregation members contibuted those...) It made for an interesting afternoon, watching these otherwise sensible folks suddenly revert to their "witch burning" roots. Meanwhile, several friends and I stood there, with our little signs that read: "Information is not a sin" and "read, don't burn" but left shortly after the news crews got their footage for the 5:00 broadcast, and chatted up a couple of local reporters.

Afterward, I kept track of the folks who had promoted the burning: Within several years, the leaders had been arrested for stealing church funds, one for having an affair with an underage choir member, and a third got busted for having child porn on their computer, just a couple years ago...

The burning itself was a symbolic gesture. With the kind of mass printings publishers do these days, how could it be anything else? All of those books and magazines still exist. I think book burning has fallen out of fashion, simply because it makes those doing it look bad, and it accomplishes nothing for your cause. (whatever that may be)

Anne Frank is safe. I know that for a fact. (I placed copies of it, and several other controversial books into a time capsule that is buried under the foundation of a bank in Denver.) But, should anyone try to erase her, and her story from history, we run the risk of eventually forgetting the truth that she gave to us at such a great personal cost.

Part of me wants to erase Mein Kampf, and the Turner Diaries... but to do so would be hypocritical. They remain fine examples of how insanity should not be allowed to flourish. Books, and their ideas need to be allowed to exist. But I see no problem in being careful about who is accessing that information, and for what reason.

(You'll notice that even Hogwarts has a "restricted" section... LOL)

I often find it amusing how often situations like the book burning you mention end up being performed by people who have just the kind of secrets you revealed they had. The utter hypocrisy of it never ceases to stagger me.

And you're right that no matter what our personal feelings over certain books may be, I don't feel that any book that has ever been written should be banned or erased from history. It must be kept so that later generations can learn and understand the past so that they can make better decisions in the present and future.
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