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Old 06-24-2008, 06:04 PM
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While Paramount was in love with its "franchise", they seemed quite happy to put it out to pasture.
"Star Trek IV" was a smash hit in '86 and was so well loved that it even helped the studio to green light "The Next Generation".
"Star Trek V" was a disappointment and it seemed the studio was ready to give up on "Classic" Star Trek.
The studio decided to do one more film and "Star Trek VI" was the finale and a fitting successful conclusion to the series.
However...Looking back on everything years later...don't you think they could have milked the Cow a bit more.
Instead of killing Kirk in "Generations"...his character should have survived and you could have had a series of "Kirk" films and "TNG" films in rotation...one every other year.
Paramount would have saved money by only having Shatner and perhaps Nimoy and or Kelley in the pictures and the rest of the 7 dwarfs could have walked.
As long as Shatner was playing Kirk and it was a Paramount "Star Trek" film...the fans would have eaten it up.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:03 PM
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While Paramount was in love with its "franchise", they seemed quite happy to put it out to pasture.
"Star Trek IV" was a smash hit in '86 and was so well loved that it even helped the studio to green light "The Next Generation".
"Star Trek V" was a disappointment and it seemed the studio was ready to give up on "Classic" Star Trek.
The studio decided to do one more film and "Star Trek VI" was the finale and a fitting successful conclusion to the series.
However...Looking back on everything years later...don't you think they could have milked the Cow a bit more.
Instead of killing Kirk in "Generations"...his character should have survived and you could have had a series of "Kirk" films and "TNG" films in rotation...one every other year.
Paramount would have saved money by only having Shatner and perhaps Nimoy and or Kelley in the pictures and the rest of the 7 dwarfs could have walked.
As long as Shatner was playing Kirk and it was a Paramount "Star Trek" film...the fans would have eaten it up.
Maybe its time for the studios to speak to the Fans for input and to vet scripts?
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:41 PM
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I definitely think that when any franchise is so heavily fan driven, fans should be pulled in for discussions. While I think most fans would have supported the idea of Picard and Kirk coming together to save a planet, I doubt any would have said "and then, kill Kirk in a really weak, sad way...that would be so cool!"
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:11 PM
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All the cast were getting old buy VI though, there's only so far you can go with a group of pensioners (Shatners immortal Kirk obsession notwithstanding). I was satisfied with their retirement. Everything moves on, and too much milking the cow is exactly what put Trek in the state it was in before the reboot was announced. Despite being a fan I've always liked what one series creator said about TV shows (it may have been Joss Whedon but don't quote me) - 'Don't give the fans what they want, give them what they need' coz the two can be quite different. My personal opinion is that it would be equally disastrous to have fans vet the scripts for approval, they would make the franchise more inward looking aand inaccessible to the new fans Trek needs to continue.

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Old 06-25-2008, 03:08 AM
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I just didn't like the way Generations was put together in general. "The Nexus" idea was meh, at best. Why not have had an old Kirk at the Academy with a young Picard or something?
The studio just seems like they felt the good thing would roll on forever, regardless of what was put out.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:47 AM
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I think the idea of fan input is cool. But the studios don't think of us at all except as fools who will pay money to see whatever they choose to produce.
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Personally, I think Star Trek VII should have been an all-TNG movie. Definitely, Kirk meeting Picard is one of those things that some fans wanted to see badly, but I never really thought it was such a great idea myself. TUC was, to me, a much more fitting end to Kirk than Generations was. TUC was a perfect ending to TOS and I really think it could have stopped there. I think Kirk's final fate should have been one of those great mysteries in Trek that would always be a mystery.

I think Star Trek VII should have continued where "All Good Things..." ended with Picard's crew coming to crossroads with their careers and personal lives after the end of seven years together. Some big threat to the Federation would naturally force them back to the ship and the Enterprise-D could have still been toasted at the end, but I think the final message would have been that all good things don't have to end...
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:22 AM
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Personally, I think Star Trek VII should have been an all-TNG movie. Definitely, Kirk meeting Picard is one of those things that some fans wanted to see badly, but I never really thought it was such a great idea myself. TUC was, to me, a much more fitting end to Kirk than Generations was. TUC was a perfect ending to TOS and I really think it could have stopped there. I think Kirk's final fate should have been one of those great mysteries in Trek that would always be a mystery.

I think Star Trek VII should have continued where "All Good Things..." ended with Picard's crew coming to crossroads with their careers and personal lives after the end of seven years together. Some big threat to the Federation would naturally force them back to the ship and the Enterprise-D could have still been toasted at the end, but I think the final message would have been that all good things don't have to end...
I think that is a great idea!!!

i wished they had waited 1-2 years before filming a TNG moive. I also agree that all the TOS acotrs hsould have declined to appear in Generations, they did indeed get to say goodbye in TUC.
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personally, I liked Generations, in fact it is in my top 3 of the films. the theme of death, rebirth, continuity, legacies - I thought it was done well.

I think if Para "dropped the ball" it was after First Contact, to me, that was the last good ST film. although Insurrection wasn't as bad as ST5 or Nemesis, it was still downhill. Yuck, I hated watching F Murray Abraham in a role that was well beneath his acting skills, and all that skin tightening!

I am hopeful that the next film will return to the ST that I grew up loving in TOS and later continued loving again in TNG and some of the great movies of the 80's and early 90's.
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I think when franchze made these kinda decisions fans should do something about it..
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