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Old 06-16-2008, 10:00 AM
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In terms of Nemesis I fail to see how you can plan a standalone movie out of a film which was pretty much known (when it was being made) that it would be the last film with the TNG cast. It was the very likely farewell for this crew, so if he wanted to make a standalone film he picked the wrong time to join Star Trek. I like Nemesis just fine, but his standalone statement makes little sense to me.
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Old 06-16-2008, 12:38 PM
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Nemesis does not suck because of inconsistencies or because it brought something new to ST (did it?). It sucked because there was no real farewell atmosphere like in STVI, neither for the crew nor for Data. And the whole idea of a human and slave workers taking over the Roumlan Star Empire was just ridiculous. Anyone understood why Shinzon wanted to annihalate Earth instead of Romulus, where the people live who mistreated him? I did not.
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Nemesis does not suck because of inconsistencies or because it brought something new to ST (did it?). It sucked because there was no real farewell atmosphere like in STVI, neither for the crew nor for Data. And the whole idea of a human and slave workers taking over the Roumlan Star Empire was just ridiculous. Anyone understood why Shinzon wanted to annihalate Earth instead of Romulus, where the people live who mistreated him? I did not.
It wasn't even the slave aspect that sucked really, I could see that. But that they went ot all thr trouble to clone Picard to replace him, and then sudeenly just dumped it? That makes no sense. Ok, so regimes change, but just dump all that money and effort? No way!
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It wasn't even the slave aspect that sucked really, I could see that. But that they went ot all thr trouble to clone Picard to replace him, and then sudeenly just dumped it? That makes no sense. Ok, so regimes change, but just dump all that money and effort? No way!
You'd be surprised. It doesn't even need a complete regime change to put a sudden and complete end to a program.

Governments have been known to back out of programs regardless of the usefulness of a program. Here is just one example:


The X-20 Dynasoar began development in 1957. It was to have been the first vehicle designed to be launched into space then glide back like a glider. It would have been used for recon, bombing missions, space rescue, satellite maintenance, sabotage of enemy satellites, etc. The program was ultimately canceled just after construction had begun.
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You'd be surprised. It doesn't even need a complete regime change to put a sudden and complete end to a program.

Governments have been known to back out of programs regardless of the usefulness of a program. Here is just one example:


The X-20 Dynasoar began development in 1957. It was to have been the first vehicle designed to be launched into space then glide back like a glider. It would have been used for recon, bombing missions, space rescue, satellite maintenance, sabotage of enemy satellites, etc. The program was ultimately canceled just after construction had begun.
Seem odd, was there some kind of flaw in it? It also look liek the space vehicle Steve Austin crashes in the Six Million Dollar Man intro....

I think I saw a version of this in the Smithsonian Air/Space Museum.....
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Seem odd, was there some kind of flaw in it? It also look liek the space vehicle Steve Austin crashes in the Six Million Dollar Man intro....

I think I saw a version of this in the Smithsonian Air/Space Museum.....
There weren't any real flaws. There were of course technical disagreements between Boeing and the Air Force like on what rocket to use for the booster that caused minor delays. Nothing unusual there. Ultimately McNamara basically did an about face on his earlier position on the program stating that the Air Force was putting to much emphasis on controlled re-entry with questionable usefulness of the platform. Also NASA wanted COMPLETE domain on manned spaceflight and many people questioned if the Air Force should have manned space flight capabilities.
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There weren't any real flaws. There were of course technical disagreements between Boeing and the Air Force like on what rocket to use for the booster that caused minor delays. Nothing unusual there. Ultimately McNamara basically did an about face on his earlier position on the program stating that the Air Force was putting to much emphasis on controlled re-entry with questionable usefulness of the platform. Also NASA wanted COMPLETE domain on manned spaceflight and many people questioned if the Air Force should have manned space flight capabilities.
Looks like it would have been a good sub orbital craft.

Ironice about NASA's attitude, since all the orginal Astronuats were Air Force Test pilots....lol....
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Well that's NASA for you. On the other side of the world, the Soviets had a program that showed promise.


This is an ekranoplan. The idea and first prototypes were conceived by Rostislav Alexeyev. Now it may look like an airplane, but it's not exactly an airplane. It's actually a Ground Effect Vehicle (GEV). It's designed to fly over flat surfaces at very high speed. This particular one in the picture was 238 feet and 540 tons fully loaded and could travel over 249 mph. They were intended to be used by Soviet Navy as high speed transports as well as anti-ship operations. When the Soviet Defense Minister, Marsha Ustinov, died in 1985; his replacement, Marshal Sokolov put an end to the entire program.
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Well that's NASA for you. On the other side of the world, the Soviets had a program that showed promise.


This is an ekranoplan. The idea and first prototypes were conceived by Rostislav Alexeyev. Now it may look like an airplane, but it's not exactly an airplane. It's actually a Ground Effect Vehicle (GEV). It's designed to fly over flat surfaces at very high speed. This particular one in the picture was 238 feet and 540 tons fully loaded and could travel over 249 mph. They were intended to be used by Soviet Navy as high speed transports as well as anti-ship operations. When the Soviet Defense Minister, Marsha Ustinov, died in 1985; his replacement, Marshal Sokolov put an end to the entire program.
Looks like a minor redesign of the "Spruce Goose"
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Not really. The main difference was the the H-4 Hercules was intended to be able to fly like a plane, even though this was never achieved because of the lack of engines with enough power at the time. However, it did prove the concept that the aerodynamic principles that allow flight are not limited by the size of the aircraft.

The ekranoplan was a different beast. It wasn't intended for flight like a plane the way the H-4 was. It was intended only to skim across a surface. Lift was intended to be achieved by the air pressure created when a wing is close to the ground restricting the area through which air could flow. It was not designed to be able to maintain lift above the ground effect region. The H-4 on the other hand was supposed to be able to maintain lift above the ground effect region (provided that the engines were powerful enough).
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