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Old 05-12-2012, 01:14 PM
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Personally, I like the NX the way it is. It could be easily scaled to the same size as the Enterprise A without the need for the secondary hull. A maximum crew of 200 would be standard. It's a great design.
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:42 PM
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About the NX refit, These are the Voyages indicated that the first Federation ship design, the Daedalus class, was commissioned 11 years after the NX launched. So on the one hand it is questionable that the NX class ships, if any of them survived the wars, have been actually upgraded but on the other hand the Daedalus looks like a modular design so if you have something akin to standardized mass production of ship elements you can use them to pimp your old ships.
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Don't like the NX at all. I like the modification even less.
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I never really liked the Trek "refit" stuff in the first place, and my favorite ship is the movie era Enterprise refit. I just never liked the refit explanation, I thought it would have worked better to simply introduce the ship as a brand new ship of the latest design.


These refits make no sense to me, it seems like a waste of resources. It would be more cost effective to build new ships from scratch. Equipment refits are one thing, what happened to the TOS Enterprise as a refit made no sense whatsoever to me.
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Ultimately that's true.
But I don't mind the explanation as unlikely as it is.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:45 PM
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Sure, I realize I'm nitpicking with that. It's just one of those things that always irked me!
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There's no way to explain the entire new look of the Enterprise refit. There was just too much change structurally, not cosmetic changes as you might see in a refit by slapping on new engines to the existing pylons.
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I never really liked the Trek "refit" stuff in the first place, and my favorite ship is the movie era Enterprise refit. I just never liked the refit explanation, I thought it would have worked better to simply introduce the ship as a brand new ship of the latest design.


These refits make no sense to me, it seems like a waste of resources. It would be more cost effective to build new ships from scratch. Equipment refits are one thing, what happened to the TOS Enterprise as a refit made no sense whatsoever to me.
The NX design itself was fine, though I might have preferred they went with the submarine style ship that it's interiors still resemble but I have to dismiss the NX refit because I can only see it as fanwank attempts to 'fix' the complaints that the NX originally didn't look right.

As to the TMP 'refit' then I agree. The explanation given is highly unlikely but fans seem to accept it easily enough. You go with it, but Scotty may as well have said they had just spent all that time refitting Star Trek itself since basically that's the metaphor the ship stands for in TMP.

The other later movie refits became ludicrous though. If you think about it in universe the ship must have spent more time between TVH and TUC in a dock being refitted for some reason than she spent on any missions.
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There's no way to explain the entire new look of the Enterprise refit. There was just too much change structurally, not cosmetic changes as you might see in a refit by slapping on new engines to the existing pylons.
I think the new secondary hull allowed expanded crew capacity, new onboard facilities, increased matter and antimatter fuel capacity, as well as enlarged shuttle and cargo bays. Altogether, they would increase the operational range of the NX-class, IMO. Whereas the Federation Starfleet might have designed and built an all-new design from scratch, the Earth Starfleet opted to modify an existing design that was still relatively new.
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Personally, I like the NX the way it is. It could be easily scaled to the same size as the Enterprise A without the need for the secondary hull. A maximum crew of 200 would be standard. It's a great design.
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