[Oregon_Coast_Trekkie]

Originally Posted by Chris Fawkes

I have to say that comparing real evil people with your own government is not only juvenile but is wildly out of touch with what the people who live in those countries have had to endure.

Words are cheap but that was way out of line.

Re the question i think McCain will win. I think Hillary would have won had she been running.

It probably was out of line, you're right...

[Zardoz]

Originally Posted by MrQ1701

I would like to see that happen. I am not a fan of Clinton, but I think it would be an unbeatable ticket!

I agree 100%. Shame is that if one of them does win, and gets into office, there will be an assasination attempt.

Originally Posted by MrQ1701

No, I don't think it's age-ism, I think it is a valid concern for many Americans, I am just NOT one of them. If you watch enough of the news than the McCain camp cries "age-ism!" everytime someone brings this up as a concern.

While I again state that he is best face the Republican party has had in years, he's past his prime for this job. I felt they should have adressed the age isssue with, "Yes, he's as fine now as he was 20 years ago! If not better!"

[MrQ1701]

It's kind of strange that this election season the three remaining canidates all have some sort of "-ism" to deal with. Sexism, Racism, and Age-ism. I think the fact we have such a diverse field of canidates is proof the U.S. is making progress toward true equality.

[Livingston]

Originally Posted by NCC-73515

Can anyone explain to me, a european, why the two democrats fight each other rather than fighting the political enemy??? Aren't they only damaging their own party?

NCC, I hear that kind of talk on the news all the time and I really don't understand it, it's just the way it is, it's rallying the base, it's politics. Anyone remember the primary in 2000 between Bush and McCain, that got pretty heated and nasty at times, that's just the way it works, politics is a heated profession. I don't think the party will be torn apart, when all is said in done, the democrats will rally behind their candidate. I say, just let it play out to the convention, see what happens, it's just the way it works. From what I can tell, neither one of them can get the needed amount of delegates to nominate, it's just that Obama has a substantial lead and the math doesn't look good for Clinton to catch up. I think the real problem is the electorial system, the caucus states and the super delegate factor, but that's another whole discussion. There's Michigan and Florida too, they criticize Clinton for wanting to have those two states cast votes again. Well any politician in their right mind that was in her position would work to have that done, it's just the way it works. At the heart of the problem is the electoral system in my opinion, it certainly was a factor in the 2000 election.

[Zardoz]

I saw in '08 Vote for LIVINGSTON!!!!!!!

[MrQ1701]

Originally Posted by Livingston

NCC, I hear that kind of talk on the news all the time and I really don't understand it, it's just the way it is, it's rallying the base, it's politics. Anyone remember the primary in 2000 between Bush and McCain, that got pretty heated and nasty at times, that's just the way it works, politics is a heated profession. I don't think the party will be torn apart, when all is said in done, the democrats will rally behind their candidate. I say, just let it play out to the convention, see what happens, it's just the way it works. Personally I think it's the most interesting election this country's had in my lifetime.

I think this election season may be different. The democratic party is in danger of losing much of it's core supporters if Clinton does not win the nomination. I believe she will campaign for Obama if she loses, but that may be a little to late. This election season was the democrat's to lose.

[Livingston]

To an extent I agree, but this is simply how it works. Any two politicians running for office would do what these two have done, it's just how campaigns function, but as you say, the time and election season this time around do present problems that may put the democrats in a dangerous place at the convention. I think the best thing for the winner to do is put the loser on the ticket. Somone else said this and I think it would help to heal and I think the two would make a good team. From what I can tell on where they stand on the issues and how I've heard them speak concerning the problems of the world today, I truly believe they would make a great team, unfortunately the media do not make that too easy to see. I have been truly amazed at how the mainstream media have covered this campaign. If you go by what they say, a Clinton/Obama ticket would be the end of the democratic party, but I think it would be the best thing to come out of this whole election on the democratic side.

To tell you the truth, I like all the candidates, I just don't agree with McCain. In my primary I voted for Clinton, but like Obama just as much, I just don't think he has the experience so I went with Clinton. McCain is the most attractive Republican candidate to come along since Reagan, on where he stands on the issues I mean! My point is, he does stand by what he believes, I just don't see it his way. With most politicians, I feel they're just telling you what you want to hear to get your vote and that's very true to an extent, but I don't get that with McCain. The guy comes out and says he supports the war and will do whatever he has to to achieve 'victory', whatever that is, and he went further to say that if the American people do not agree with that, then they won't vote for me. That really surprised me, I never saw a politician speak so honestly. If I saw eye to eye with him, I'd vote for him, but I don't, so I went with Clinton.

Jerhanner, why is Mrs. Clinton in italics?

[Livingston]

Originally Posted by Zardoz

I saw in '08 Vote for LIVINGSTON!!!!!!!

GO FOR THE POWER, VOTE FOR THE FLOWER!

[MrQ1701]

Originally Posted by Livingston

To an extent I agree, but this is simply how it works. Any two politicians running for office would do what these two have done, it's just how campaigns function, but as you say, the time and election season this time around do present problems that may put the democrats in a dangerous place at the convention. I think the best thing for the winner to do is put the loser on the ticket. Somone else said this and I think it would help to heal and I think the two would make a good team. From what I can tell on where they stand on the issues and how I've heard them speak concerning the problems of the world today, I truly believe they would make a great team, unfortunately the media do not make that too easy to see. I have been truly amazed at how the mainstream media have covered this campaign. If you go by what they say, a Clinton/Obama ticket would be the end of the democratic party, but I think it would be the best thing to come out of this whole election on the democratic side.

To tell you the truth, I like all the candidates, I just don't agree with McCain. In my primary I voted for Clinton, but like Obama just as much, I just don't think he has the experience so I went with Clinton. McCain is the most attractive Republican candidate to come along since Reagan, on where he stands on the issues I mean! My point is, he does stand by what he believes, I just don't see it his way. With most politicians, I feel they're just telling you what you want to hear to get your vote and that's very true to an extent, but I don't get that with McCain. The guy comes out and says he supports the war and will do whatever he has to to achieve 'victory', whatever that is, and he went further to say that if the American people do not agree with that, then they won't vote for me. That really surprised me, I never saw a politician speak so honestly. If I saw eye to eye with him, I'd vote for him, but I don't, so I went with Clinton.

Jerhanner, why is Mrs. Clinton in italics?

Awesome. You explain yourself very well. I feel Obama has the same honest approach as the way you describe McCain. I don't get that feeling from Clinton. I actually LIKE the fact Obama has not been in Washington for years. I feel like that leaves far fewer "strings to pull".

[Livingston]

I see what you're saying about Clinton, she is very much a part of the establishment as Obama has pointed out many times and rightly so, she is! If she wins we could conceivably have twenty years of Bush and Clinton administrations! My main thing with Clinton is that she speaks in facts, she spells out how she will achieve her goals, Obama does not do this as much, he's much more ideological, his ideas are great but I haven't heard from him in speeches how he plans on achieving his ideas. Edwards was like this even more so!

Personally I hope the winner does put the loser on the ticket, they would be a formidable team, one that could take on McCain well, that's another issue, who is more formidable, going up against McCain?