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Old 05-09-2008, 10:39 AM
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You know I was wondering the same thing, but then i thought about the tidbit of info we got a while back about a scene with Kirk driving around in a vintage corvette with possibly his brother, but thought it would be a little wierd having this car on Tarsus IV.

I could see it happening if his brother was driving and shortly after the little jaunt in the car they left for Tarsus IV, and a few year later Kirk leave for the Academy.
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:00 AM
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I think the only mention of the Farragut and Garrovick might be as a line of dialogue.
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:01 AM
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I think the only mention of the Farragut and Garrovick might be as a line of dialogue.
Same for Tarsus IV situation..
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:21 AM
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Are Zardoz and I the only ones who think the Tarsus story is of importance in understanding Kirk?
I think its important. I haven't seen the episode where they talk about it in a long time so I do not remember if Kirk said it was a changing point in his life or if it caused him to join Starfleet.
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Kirk tries to run down Kodos in the road! Now Lenore makes sense.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:59 PM
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Tarsus IV may be important to understanding the character of Kirk, but in a totally different way.

I mean, after surviving Tarsus IV, why would Kirk dare go out into space ever again? Earth, at least, is relatively safe.

The novel Best Destiny touches on this a little bit, some people like it, some don't.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:06 PM
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I mean, after surviving Tarsus IV, why would Kirk dare go out into space ever again? Earth, at least, is relatively safe.
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After an experience as on Tarsus a very young person can start to loose every belief in the concept of peace and safety in general. That fits to Kirks warrior and adventurer attitude. As if he is not seeking danger, but as if peace and safety are just not real for him anyway.
Thats where he is very alike a character as Khan. The deviding line between Kirk and a villain as Khan would then be his belief in freedom and justice that must be defended every day.

In that way the Tarsus incident is really the perfect story to explain almost all of Kirks attitudes toward life, the universe and everything.
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:02 PM
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I think the Tarsus episode needs to be dealt with. Obviously, Kirk didn't always live in Iowa, ya know....he saw some pretty horrific things when he was young. Is he "running away" when he joins Star Fleet? Unable to stay with the family that let him go to Tarsus or took him to Tarsus? Certainly, the ultra grim "philospher" Kirk we hear about could have been triggered by such an experience.

It could even provide us a nice "storyline" for the reboot....Kirk getting his balance back, Kirk learning to trust again.
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:15 PM
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I think they have to include it. Besides being referenced on TV, MANY books (of course, not canon) have used this.

Many believe the reason why Kirk joined Starfleet was because he wanted to protect people from the horrors he saw there.

Shatner's latest book (which from what I understand was his attempt to offer up a movie plot) used Tarus IV as it's main storyline, through flashbacks.

What was interesting was Shat's take that Kirk ended up hating Starfleet because of Tarsus IV. He believed at the time that Starfleet should have been there sooner to defend them against Kodos. He gets forced into Starfleet through a plotline that I didn't think made sense (and it tells of how Spock got in...same weird storyline), but obviously changes his opinion of Starfleet and stays.

But I did like that it showed Kirk as being a good kid before Tarsus, then becoming a "punk" after it. Until then, it was always that he was a kid who got into alot of trouble until Tarsus, then he changed.

Either way, it is a pivotal moment in Kirk's life, and I would think it almost HAS to be addressed in this movie.
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Old 05-09-2008, 10:04 PM
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heh...I thought I'd posted this...

Anyway, fan fic views this as a HUGELY important issue. Next to "why does Spock go to Gol?" this is the "horrible things happening to a character you love" favorite....

I absolutely see that. I mean, think of how utterly disturbed his friend Dr. Leighton was.

Obviously, this is a life altering event and it would be bad if the movie dealt with the time before and the time after and just pretended that Tarsus didn't exist....as easy going as I am on canon issues, I'd raise a protest at that...
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