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Old 04-25-2008, 01:28 AM
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This kind of came to mind:

Trekmovie.com visitors know that a Corvette is going to be featured in the movie. And since we know we have moments of Kirk's youth in the film, this got me to wondering: How much will the movie show life on Earth in the 23rd century?

In dialogue, we hear a lot about how humanity has changed, but we don't get to see a lot of everyday 23rd century Earth life. Sure, we get to see all this great technology in Star Trek, but the question becomes: How much of it is military technology vs. everyday technology? We have dialogue evidence that food replicators were used on earth and were available for purchase.

But what about vehicles? Kirk having a Vette could lend validity to the Argo shown in Nemesis. Heck, even Trip talks about having his first car. Which may also lend to this: Is the transporter something that actually is widely used by the general public, or not?

Chew on this for a moment: The transporter was so new in Enterprise that Hoshi's father had never even heard of it. Doctors McCoy, Pulaski, and Lt. Barclay were afraid of using them (technology which would be 100 and 200 years old in their times respectively). Chief O'Brien said he had been operating a transporter for some odd years and hadn't lost anyone, Barclay took a "transporter theory" class at the Academy... Kirk took the transporter controls in TMP, Sisko as an Academy freshman materialized inside the living room of his parents' house every night (which would indicate they didn't have a pad in their house). It also indicates that special knowledge is needed to operate a transporter.

That makes me wonder if this movie will answer some of those questions. I mean, we all know that the military today uses technology that isn't available to the public yet. Surely, it is reasonable to assume that Starfleet is the same way.
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This kind of came to mind:

Trekmovie.com visitors know that a Corvette is going to be featured in the movie. And since we know we have moments of Kirk's youth in the film, this got me to wondering: How much will the movie show life on Earth in the 23rd century?

In dialogue, we hear a lot about how humanity has changed, but we don't get to see a lot of everyday 23rd century Earth life. Sure, we get to see all this great technology in Star Trek, but the question becomes: How much of it is military technology vs. everyday technology? We have dialogue evidence that food replicators were used on earth and were available for purchase.

But what about vehicles? Kirk having a Vette could lend validity to the Argo shown in Nemesis. Heck, even Trip talks about having his first car. Which may also lend to this: Is the transporter something that actually is widely used by the general public, or not?

Chew on this for a moment: The transporter was so new in Enterprise that Hoshi's father had never even heard of it. Doctors McCoy, Pulaski, and Lt. Barclay were afraid of using them (technology which would be 100 and 200 years old in their times respectively). Chief O'Brien said he had been operating a transporter for some odd years and hadn't lost anyone, Barclay took a "transporter theory" class at the Academy... Kirk took the transporter controls in TMP, Sisko as an Academy freshman materialized inside the living room of his parents' house every night (which would indicate they didn't have a pad in their house). It also indicates that special knowledge is needed to operate a transporter.

That makes me wonder if this movie will answer some of those questions. I mean, we all know that the military today uses technology that isn't available to the public yet. Surely, it is reasonable to assume that Starfleet is the same way.
I would imagine having an "antique vehicle" to play with in the future wouldn't be out of line. I also see more "enviromentally freindly" forms of transportation too. I would imagine haveing the car would be akin to someone owning a model T in these times, it's a collectable you occasionally drive.

Well in TOS Starfleet is more para-military, since their primary mission are of exploration/first contact. They only defend themselves and federation interests when nessicary. So I think technology is more universally spread, except maybe in the weapons area.

I would transporters as being fairly commonplace in the 23rd century. Having civilian "Transport centers" (Somthing simular to what we saw in Trek 3 at the "old city station".) So people could go from major population center, to population center, much liek airports.

Yes, I would imagine you need specialized training to operate one, much like a train engineer, or a pilot. Kirk, since he's command would have done time in his career with transporters.
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Small note to add: there is no evidence so far that Kirk "has" a Corvette. The loose, generic description given from that second-unit filming described the occupants in the car as quite young, either a young boy or a girl. Clearly someone has the car, so it survives as an antique artifact into the timeline, but we don't know who owns it or how Kirk might interact with it. Such sketchy evidence implies (but doesn't prove) that the Young Kirk might be the one in the car scene, not adult Kirk. Hard to tell, as none of the main cast was present for such second-unit filming.

To answer your larger question, I doubt the film will spend much time on Earth in the 23rd... at least not in terms of showing a great deal of 'everyday life'. Likely our longest views of it would be in the Academy context, perhaps. Though that might well answer your question about transporter use, etc. We'll have to wait and see.
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Small note to add: there is no evidence so far that Kirk "has" a Corvette. The loose, generic description given from that second-unit filming described the occupants in the car as quite young, either a young boy or a girl. Clearly someone has the car, so it survives as an antique artifact into the timeline, but we don't know who owns it or how Kirk might interact with it. Such sketchy evidence implies (but doesn't prove) that the Young Kirk might be the one in the car scene, not adult Kirk. Hard to tell, as none of the main cast was present for such second-unit filming.

To answer your larger question, I doubt the film will spend much time on Earth in the 23rd... at least not in terms of showing a great deal of 'everyday life'. Likely our longest views of it would be in the Academy context, perhaps. Though that might well answer your question about transporter use, etc. We'll have to wait and see.
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Small note to add: there is no evidence so far that Kirk "has" a Corvette. The loose, generic description given from that second-unit filming described the occupants in the car as quite young, either a young boy or a girl. Clearly someone has the car, so it survives as an antique artifact into the timeline, but we don't know who owns it or how Kirk might interact with it. Such sketchy evidence implies (but doesn't prove) that the Young Kirk might be the one in the car scene, not adult Kirk. Hard to tell, as none of the main cast was present for such second-unit filming.

To answer your larger question, I doubt the film will spend much time on Earth in the 23rd... at least not in terms of showing a great deal of 'everyday life'. Likely our longest views of it would be in the Academy context, perhaps. Though that might well answer your question about transporter use, etc. We'll have to wait and see.

You are correct, I did jump to a conclusion, and I apologize for that.
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I don't see the problem with a Chevy Corvette showing up in Trek XI... Kirk's fondness for 20th century antiques was established in TOS, (The books and other objects in his cabin) and especially in WOK, with his collection of antiques in his apartment in SF. His owning a 'vette would be in keeping with his established character.
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You are correct, I did jump to a conclusion, and I apologize for that.
Absolutely NO apology necessary, Oregon! I was just clarifying a small aspect of your discussion, which really doesn't affect the gist of what you were saying.

Think about it, if Kirk (at any age) is going to get into a 20th century vintage artifact of the automobile age, oh it's going to be a Vette! And the connection back to Apollo astronauts makes it even cooler.
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Absolutely Mission.

Oh, and here's a (sort of ) shot of it

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Hmm the driver does not look male from the pic evidence. So maybe someone is riding in the passenger seat? A Kirk type person?

Or maybe it's just a set up to make us think....and it will not appear.
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