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Old 04-25-2008, 05:28 AM
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Whether or not Gore is a putz, shouldn't we pay some attention to the group of international scientists who say that climate change IS happening? It's not a political thing, it's a science thing.

Go to Beijing and try to breathe the air.
Go to India and test some water samples from the Ganges.
Come to NY and I'll show you the dead lakes in the Adirondaks. (Yeah, people denied acid rain existed for a while, but once all those lakes were dead it was tough to deny.)
Go to LA and look at the smog.
Go to Switzerland and watch the glacier and the snows receding.
Go to the Love Canal and buy a house.

I was SO happy when the Pope added polluting to the list of Big Sins. Doesn't it make sense to take care of our planet, even if Algore is a weenie?
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Old 04-25-2008, 06:11 AM
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Whether or not Gore is a putz, shouldn't we pay some attention to the group of international scientists who say that climate change IS happening? It's not a political thing, it's a science thing.

Go to Beijing and try to breathe the air.
Go to India and test some water samples from the Ganges.
Come to NY and I'll show you the dead lakes in the Adirondaks. (Yeah, people denied acid rain existed for a while, but once all those lakes were dead it was tough to deny.)
Go to LA and look at the smog.
Go to Switzerland and watch the glacier and the snows receding.
Go to the Love Canal and buy a house.

I was SO happy when the Pope added polluting to the list of Big Sins. Doesn't it make sense to take care of our planet, even if Algore is a weenie?

Well said jan!!!
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Old 04-25-2008, 10:54 AM
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Whether or not Gore is a putz, shouldn't we pay some attention to the group of international scientists who say that climate change IS happening? It's not a political thing, it's a science thing.

I was SO happy when the Pope added polluting to the list of Big Sins. Doesn't it make sense to take care of our planet, even if Algore is a weenie?
You make an excellent point, Jer, in that much of the argument against Gore and his film must be made political and personal to make headway. Why? Because the argument must fight the global science by arousing emotions in opponents. Global Warming must be a "Democratic" or "liberal" issue, so it's easier for people to find reasons to dismiss it instead of examine it.

Even President Bush has finally begun to see the light. Timely as ever, of course.
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Old 04-25-2008, 11:16 AM
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You make an excellent point, Jer, in that much of the argument against Gore and his film must be made political and personal to make headway. Why? Because the argument must fight the global science by arousing emotions in opponents. Global Warming must be a "Democratic" or "liberal" issue, so it's easier for people to find reasons to dismiss it instead of examine it.

Even President Bush has finally begun to see the light. Timely as ever, of course.
How so very true!!!
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I don't think it matters what Al Gore put in his movie. I think there is enough evidence showing the Earth IS warming. To what degree or how quickly is still a known unkown (like that rummy talk?). The warming could be just part of a nutural cycle. But I also believe it is naive to say humans are NOT having an effect. We destroy the natural CO2 scrubbers by destroying forests and we pour tons of of the crap into the air all the time. We MUST be contributing to the warming of our planet to some degree...that is where I believe the debate should focus. Why not assume the worst and make the changes you can to help? Use a smaller fuel efficient car to commute to work and not the big honkin' truck or SUV. Turn off the lights when you are out of the room. Turn the a/c down a degree or two and get used to it. And on and on and on...
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Old 04-25-2008, 03:32 PM
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Huzzah, MrQ, well said. Believe in the catastrophic effects or not, it's only logical we don't keep poisoning ourselves and strip-mining our planet, for the sake our children and theirs if nothing else. We can simply do better with our environment and for ourselves without jumping into ideological wars about the extent of damage we're doing.
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