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Old 04-11-2008, 05:13 PM
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Highly likely.
The warlike nature of the mirror universe makes it entirely possible.
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Old 04-12-2008, 04:31 AM
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If I,m not mistaken, ( Since I just watched it a few days ago.) wasnt there an NX ship the came out to escort them in when they returned to earth after the whole Nazi Time travel incident??

Since if it was it couldnt have been the Columbia. ( Archers chicks ship.) was that the NX-02??
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Old 04-12-2008, 11:13 AM
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I think that ship was the ISS Avenger NX-09.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the stuff they found on the Vulcan ship when they made first contact, ultimately jump started the Earth deep space program.

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Old 04-12-2008, 12:16 PM
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"I think that ship was the ISS Avenger NX-09."


So what your saying is that they made u other NX ships in between when they left for the Zindi Mission and when they came back??? I know thats not right.
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Well they did other ships. The Columbia was under construction while they were off fighting the Xindi. We know a third was possibly beginning construction according to the dialog in the episode Fortunate Son back in the 1st season. But no, I am NOT saying that they built many ships between the Xindi mission and the return. The NX-09 is a feature of the "Mirror Universe" not eh normal universe.

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Old 04-12-2008, 02:50 PM
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Ok this may be wrong but. If Columbia was still being built when they left for the expance, and she was still in space dock when they got back. How could they have completed any other ships in the same time frame, if they couldnt even get the Columbia done?

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/vie...sode/6399.html

watch the episode preview thats 53 seconds you can see the NX ship for a second in the background.
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Considering that while Columbia was under construction they were also repairing and upgrading the Enterprise and its systems for operations in the expanse, that tells us that there were at the very least 2 facilities available to support the NX class. Probably more if they were planning on beginning a third ship simultaneously.

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Old 04-12-2008, 03:25 PM
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Considering that while Columbia was under construction they were also repairing and upgrading the Enterprise and its systems for operations in the expanse, that tells us that there were at the very least 2 facilities available to support the NX class. Probably more if they were planning on beginning a third ship simultaneously.
ya, and I take it the only shipyards were orbiting Earth. And the other shipyard, were was it Mars Jupiter station, I,m lost. Were was the E-D made at again??
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Old 04-12-2008, 03:28 PM
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Yeah, the D was made at Utopia Planatia at Mars.

There's no real indication as to where the yard that the NX-01 was repaired and refitted. However, there's nothing to say that there isn't more than one drydock facility in Earth orbit. If we want to look at a more earthbound example, most shipyards have more than 1 drydock facility. Furthermore, sometimes ships are built at one drydock then moved to another facility for final outfitting.
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The thing is that even though we call it a mirror universe, it really isn't a complete 1 to 1 mirror. Not every event is mirrored by each universe, so I don't think we can really judge how many ships were built in the normal universe by what we see in the mirror. Considering the conflict that had taken place in the mirror universe and the nature of Earth and its relationship with the other races, the need for a much more extensive ship building program early on was certainly there, while in the case of the normal universe, things seemed to have taken place at a much slower pace.

In fact it can probably be argued that what separates the NX program in the normal universe from that of the mirror universe is that in the mirror, the NX program probably progressed at a much faster pace without much (if any) interference from the Vulcans.
Oh, of course... I wasn't really saying how many ships the mirror Starfleet had should be used as any kind of basis; just an interesting fact. Based on everything we saw of the NX program in the Terran Empire, it's very likely that it was launched much earlier. Given that Archer was still a commander, Forrest a Captain, and the fact that the Empire had a fleet of at least 9 NX-class vessels by 2155.

I don't imagine the Vulcans interfered at all; it's more likely the Empire simply stole their technology after conquering them. The I.S.S Enterprise was equipped with energy shielding, tractor emitters, photon torpedoes, and their transporter was even capable of site-to-site functionality. It's quite obvious the Empire was much more technologically advanced than its counterpart. Makes me wish we'd seen more of the Constitution-class I.S.S. Enterprise. I'm actually surprised that the NX-class vessels of the mirror universe were only capable of Warp 5. You'd think they would've been at least Warp 6 capable, given all the other stolen Vulcan technology and the conquered Andorians and their technology.

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