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Old 04-03-2008, 12:38 AM
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Archer deserves better than that rating... at least he had a sense of humour; and an ironic one at that.
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:04 AM
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If i had to list the known captains from all of the series, she would be second only to James T. Kirk himself. In fact, her devotion to ship and crew rival that of Kirk. Here's my rating of Starfleet Captains:

1. James T. Kirk
2. Catherine Janeway
3. Jean Luc Picard
4. Benjamin Sisko
5. Hikaru Sulu
6. Christopher Pike
7. Johnathan Archer

I've been watching the show a lot lately and Janeway's attitude and demeanor have really impressed me. I feel as if she hasn't been given the credit she is due.
I don't know Megatron I agree with him. As we spoke of on one thread...Arch did some really bad things that turned me off toward him as a Good Captain.
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:29 AM
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Yeah, he made a few questionable calls... though the Prime Directive hadn't exactly been established at the time.

The most questionable of his decisions, IMO, was to withhold the cure to that genetic disorder from those people who'd left their world at sublight speeds, searching for help from a more advanced species. Millions of people probably died because Phlox convinced him that "they weren't out there to play god". Personally, I feel had this episode taken place during TNG, Picard wouldn't have made the same choice. Those people had already encountered other advanced civilizations, and they already knew about warp drive... and most importantly, they ASKED for help, directly. The Prime Directive no longer applied. I would've said "well, maybe we aren't out here to play god, but we sure as hell can fix his mistakes now that we're here". That was the only time I'd ever found myself morally opposed to the viewpoint expressed in a moralistic Trek episode.

However, that episode aside, at least Archer had a cute dog.
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:35 AM
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I usualy don't bring up the Prime Directive. It's a good rule but I recognize that it's use is in the future.

I din't know about that episode with the dease....I had no idea.
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:11 AM
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Although I liked the series well enough, the story written to put Voyager out so far made Janeway seem like a very stupid captain. Theres no way Sisko or Pikard, or even Kirk would have done what she did if the writing was consistent with their previous series.

With a different beginning she would have seemed a lot more competant.
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Old 04-03-2008, 09:55 AM
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Although I liked the series well enough, the story written to put Voyager out so far made Janeway seem like a very stupid captain. Theres no way Sisko or Pikard, or even Kirk would have done what she did if the writing was consistent with their previous series.

With a different beginning she would have seemed a lot more competant.
Well, It was a plot device. They had to be stranded. They could have done it differently. Her decision did create conflict and tension among the crew, and she even regrets it later in the series. But the decision itself is a moral quandry. Does she act selfishly for the sake of 150 or so people or does she act on behalf of hundreds of thousands or even more? Considering her close friendship with Tuvok, a Vulcan, you would think her tendency would be to lean toward "the good of the many, outweighs the good of the few". Her crew was stranded, not in danger for their lives at that moment. So she opted to protect the lives of others to the detriment of her crew.

From that point on, she was totally dedicated to the crew. Becoming more than just a military leader, but essentially a mother figure or friend or mentor to everyone in her crew. Plus, on their own, she faced a ton of dangers (including the Borg) and got her crew home. That shows her strength. She made some questionable decisions indeed, but every Captain does.
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Just for fun!!! I found this long ago:

REASONS WHY CAPTAIN JANEWAY IS BETTER THAN CAPTAIN PICARD

1. One word: hair
2. More hair than all previous Star Trek commanding officers combined.
3. Drinks coffee, not that sissy "Earl Grey" stuff.
4. Beams down to the planet like real Captains should.
5. Mutes the doctor when the doctor gets out of line.
6. Keeps her First Officer properly in the dark.
7. Can speak "technobabble" with the best of them.
8. Hasn't let an adolescent pilot the Federation flagship -- yet.
9. Picard could never act like a prostitute to gain a tactical advantage.
10. Commanded ships blown up: Picard: 2 Janeway: 1/2
11. Voyager needs a female Captain. Its Captain must be willing to admit they're lost and pull over for directions.
12. Hasn't quoted Shakespeare -- yet.
13. Looks better in sleepwear.
14. Gives guilt trips that would make a Jewish mother proud.
15. Isn't French with an English accent.
16. "Take this cheese to sickbay!" I don't know why this is here, either, but I loved that line!
17. Will give you two days off to ponder your lifeshattering experience.
18. When Janeway lands her ship, it can take off again.
19. Janeway says "I don't like you!" to her enemies instead of trying to convince them to behave better.
20. To comfort children, Janeway cares for them in a loving motherly way. Picard sings a song...in French...about a monk...who can't wake up for morning bells.
21. The only child on Voyager is a cute little thing with horns.
22. Janeway has a First Officer with a tattoo.
23. Picard likes to talk his way through. Janeway likes to punch her way through.
24. She doesn't have any pesky Federation Admirals to get in her way.
25. Three words: Compression Phaser Rifles.
26. Acknowledges freely when she breaks the Prime Directive instead of trying to weasle her way out of it with philosophical ramblings.
27. 40 episodes without surrendering the ship.
28. 40 episodes and Wesley has yet to save the ship.
29. Janeway's holo programs create useful things like doctors and lungs. Picard's holodecks create maniacal evil geniouses who yet again take over the ship.
30. She doesn't need to straighten her uniform every time she stands.
31. Janeway has never worn green tights and frolicked about in Sherwood Forest. However, if she did, she would look fantastic!
32. Same level of sexual tension between Doctor and Captain.
33. Has kids and they're cute little things.
34. Never worries about meeting a son she never knew she had.
35. Kirk looked good in ripped shirts; Picard looked good without a shirt; Janeway would look... no, they can't do that on network television.
36. Cheese
37. Doesn't force her crew to wear awful outfits, unless it is to blend in with a primitive planet.
38. She doesn't waste time learning foreign languages. All lifeforms in the Delta Quadrant speak perfect English.
39. Her engineer does not wear a bananna clip over her eyes.
40. Slouches in her chair even in critical life-threatening moments.
41. Doesn't have a Counselor on board (thank God!).
42. Her telepath only lives nine years.
43. Janeway heard the words "boldly go where no man (er, woman) has gone before" and took them to the extreme.
44. 45,000 light-years is one thing. Every point in the universe instantaneously? That's excessive!
45. Picard tells alien cultures, "I hope our two cultures will one day come to a greater understanding." Janeway threatens them with "the deadliest of force."
46. Janeway's holo-characters fall in love with her. Picard's holo-characters want to kill him.
47. Janeway's Security Chief would never grow a ponytail.
48. The high point of Enterprise cuisine were scrambled eggs that only Worf could stomach.
49. Janeway doesn't have to point which way to go when they set off.
50. Maintains an elaborate hairdo that would baffle even Princess Leia.
51. Has mastered facial expression understood by all to mean, "Boy, Paris, are YOU ever stupid."
52. Doesn't need her first officer's permission to blow up her ship.
53. The highest field commision Picard ever gave out was "Acting Ensign."
54. Cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese. I can't help myself!
55. Hugs her Vulcan from time to time.
56. Has a more manly voice.
57. Doesn't have a starship that splits in half when it's in a tight spot.
58. Has a dog and a significant other, not some damn fish!
59. Had sex with a crewmember and "might have initiated it."
60. Kes. Troi. No contest.
61. Nealix. Replicator. Ok, this one's debatable.
62. At least she doesn't have to yell "Hot!" at her cook every time she wants something to drink.
63. Her ship has neat-looking folding warp nacelles.
64. Her CONN officer actually went through the Academy.
65. Her CONN officer can use contractions.
66. Her first officer has a halucinogenic device.
67. Her Security Officer draws his phaser at the first hint of trouble. Picard's Security Officer gets beat up by half the aliens that come aboard.
68. Hostile aliens surrounding her, half the crew are spies, the nearest help is 75 years away, and she's still kept the ship together.
69. None of the crew members' relatives have ever tried to take over the ship, invade the Federation, steal a starship, or enslave all humankind.
70. To help her relax, Janeway's first officer helps her contact her spirit guide. Picard's first officer helps him get . . . to Risa.
71. Riker never smiled at Picard that way.
72. Q asked Janeway to run away with him and she refused. Q asked Picard's girlfriend to run away with him and she accepted.
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Old 04-03-2008, 10:12 AM
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Here's some funny s**t about Janeway someone made up!! Made me fall out of my chair laughing!!

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Captain_Janeway
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Funny DiTroi...someone got pretty creative!

I believe the point of ENT was this was our first time out....

Almost everything was a learning experience. It's their mistakes as well as their accomplishments that helped to form the Prime Directive.

There is a new ENT book coming out in the fall that deals with the Kobayashi Maru. Except it's not the scenario, but rather the actual occurance. And since it is a no-win situation, it will be neat to see how Archer responds to it.

And it sounds to me like he fails, which is probably why it is used as a traning exercise. But we don't know yet...
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Funny DiTroi...someone got pretty creative!

I believe the point of ENT was this was our first time out....

Almost everything was a learning experience. It's their mistakes as well as their accomplishments that helped to form the Prime Directive.

There is a new ENT book coming out in the fall that deals with the Kobayashi Maru. Except it's not the scenario, but rather the actual occurance. And since it is a no-win situation, it will be neat to see how Archer responds to it.

And it sounds to me like he fails, which is probably why it is used as a traning exercise. But we don't know yet...
Here's a link that talks about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru
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