[Roysten]

Essentially continued from the amazing spiderman thread...

[kevin]

Ah, I feel all unrestricted now!

[Roysten]

I think in some respects Catwoman wasn't an essential character to the plot, obviously she was nice to look at and had some fun action scenes but I didn't feel that her own 'need for redemption' subplot really evolved beyond the fact we knew she wanted better for herself, like many other subplots it sort of vanished, then at the end we saw her with Bruce and we're left to assume that she's found what she was looking for.

I was wondering when Bruce may have jumped ship too. The bomb having 2 mins left on the timer means it must have been travelling pretty fast out of the city to get the 6 miles away or whatever it was, I guess that also means it has to have got 6 miles away from where Bruce was depending on when exactly he did jump ship. I'm not too bothered though, and I guess it is set up to make it seem like a surprise when he survives.

I wonder whether he'd be allowed to kill Batman, if the studio wants to make more films then it's better that he lives, unless they want to recast or have 'Robin' take over.

[samwiseb]

The studio could be forced to reboot Batman if they really need to make more films. I don't like when their needs necessarily override what the director they hired is wanting to give them.

I've said the same thing about ST... that I hope Abrams is cognizant enough to recognize when he's making his last movie so that he can close it out in some way, force the studio to reimagine rather than just pick a director-for-hire to continue his work without him (because to me that rarely works)

[kevin]

Originally Posted by Roysten

I think in some respects Catwoman wasn't an essential character to the plot, obviously she was nice to look at and had some fun action scenes but I didn't feel that her own 'need for redemption' subplot really evolved beyond the fact we knew she wanted better for herself, like many other subplots it sort of vanished, then at the end we saw her with Bruce and we're left to assume that she's found what she was looking for.

I agree. I think she was chosen and put in there to give Bruce someone to escape with since they blew up Rachel in the last film. But I didn't believe that Bruce and Selina made any connection of that nature. Their relationship seemed dictated by the plot needs. Kind of a means to an end.

I was wondering when Bruce may have jumped ship too. The bomb having 2 mins left on the timer means it must have been travelling pretty fast out of the city to get the 6 miles away or whatever it was, I guess that also means it has to have got 6 miles away from where Bruce was depending on when exactly he did jump ship. I'm not too bothered though, and I guess it is set up to make it seem like a surprise when he survives.

I was actually wondering more how he got from the prison to inside the cut off Gotham when he had no-one to call for help and how long it took him to get back.

I wonder whether he'd be allowed to kill Batman, if the studio wants to make more films then it's better that he lives, unless they want to recast or have 'Robin' take over.

I think that goes to my thoughts about Batman being a symbol and not a man, and therefore it doesn't have to be Bruce inside the suit.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by samwiseb

The studio could be forced to reboot Batman if they really need to make more films. I don't like when their needs necessarily override what the director they hired is wanting to give them.

I've said the same thing about ST... that I hope Abrams is cognizant enough to recognize when he's making his last movie so that he can close it out in some way, force the studio to reimagine rather than just pick a director-for-hire to continue his work without him (because to me that rarely works)

I think WB might try and do the next Batman film in the same universe that Nolan created but with another director and use the set up left in Rises.

If Sony thought they got grief online for rebooting Spider-Man, WB will have a hell of a time with whatever they decide to do post-Nolan.

[kevin]

Oh, Saquist's review reminds me - that Bane ultimately turned out to be nothing more than a henchman was a letdown. He had been built up as much more than that and ultimately all his talk (his seemingly endless talk) amounted to nothing really but smoke and mirrors to Talia's true plan.

[samwiseb]

Originally Posted by kevin

I think WB might try and do the next Batman film in the same universe that Nolan created but with another director and use the set up left in Rises.

If Sony thought they got grief online for rebooting Spider-Man, WB will have a hell of a time with whatever they decide to do post-Nolan.

I wouldn't have a problem with that. Batman Beyond was a cool series, I see no reason why Blake-as-Batman couldn't work for a reimagined movie franchise. If they really need to. Just don't give it to Zack Snyder; I've decided that man sucks dick.

And though I've said it more than once, I personally like what Sony did.

[kevin]

I know you do, just observing that they got grief for it beforehand.

[samwiseb]

They'll always get grief. Once something is established, fans seem unwilling to imagine it could ever be interpreted any other way.