[Captain Tom Coughlin]

Originally Posted by kevin

I do know it's been widely praised since it began, but what you describe as the basic set up is about as much as I know. Though to be fair I haven't read much about it's story so as not to know what does happen if/when I do get around to it.

I don't really want to give away anything.

[Roysten]

Originally Posted by kevin

Oh go on.................I like how you started already!

I don't want to hijack this thread about it but I may find some time to come at with gusto in another.

He's incredibly good as the show moves along.

Certainly doesn't surprise me, was pleasantly surprised how in the first show I already felt sympathy for him and was drawn into his predicament.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by Roysten

I don't want to hijack this thread about it but I may find some time to come at with gusto in another.

Hehe!

Certainly doesn't surprise me, was pleasantly surprised how in the first show I already felt sympathy for him and was drawn into his predicament.

Funny how that can happen a lot. Totally unrelated but I found that with the film 'In Bruges' even once you found out what the Colin Farrell character had done. You still wanted him to find a way to redeem himself after it. And given what his character had done, that wasn't an easy trick to pull.

[horatio]

Originally Posted by Captain Tom Coughlin

The wife isn't sick, the teacher is. He turns to crime to make sure his family is set after he's gone. And the show is so much more than what you describe. It's a character study. It's about the transformation of the main character.

While many people believe that character change is the best thing since sliced bread it is not in and of itself good or bad. Macbeth isn't better than Hamlet just because the protagonist changes.
Not coincidentally in the best TV show, The Wire, no character except for the mayor changes. Not coincidentally it is also not about fake moral dilemmas like selling drugs to sustain your family but the very social structures which necessitate such decisions.

We love stories about choice and change precisely because they do not exist in the real world. Unless you consider strawberry or chocolate cake as choice and "we need change" Obama as change.

[Saquist]

Originally Posted by Roysten

As for Voyager... I won't go off on a rant but I think they missed every target in terms of what they set out to do, in many ways I see it as a much inferior TNG, when you watch DS9 and Voyager at the same time it's quite painful, such a shame the story qualities differed so much as the potential was enormous. Enterprise did play it a bit safe, especially to begin with, but IMO they were let down by the franchise sagging under it's own weight after so many years of continuous influx, people got bored.

I think Enterprise was the fifth series to do nothing special with the roles of the show and suffered from the worst acting in Trek. Frequently unimaginative it tried hard at looking different and not actually being different.

(YES KEVIN) I'm blaming Rick Berman again.
He himself self said that the series failed but of franchise fatigue but of course he doesn't think that was his fault. He never chose other avenues. Star Wars is just a great example of how mediocre story telling like most of Enterprise and Voyager can lift a genre. Lucas utilized cartoons and video games to great effect which raised it's profile massively. Trek never tried to compete in these areas. They never gave the TV market a rest. Trek's few video games were extremely labored, boring and cerebral and then target the younger audiences very well.

It's just more mishandling where just a small amount of insight could have given Trek the proper buoyancy to flourish.

[kevin]

I don't mind - I'm not Berman's stauchest defender here anyway.

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

No other Breaking Bad watchers, I suppose.

[kevin]

Sorry, doesn't seem so. So far.

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

As I said, I can't recommend it enough! It's a great show, despite what Horatio says!

[kevin]

I'll swing around to it eventually. In the meantime I'm about ready to chop Neelix up and throw him in his own kitchen oven.