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Old 03-27-2008, 01:41 AM
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Okay, THIS is canon.
According to Star Trek.com and the most recent Encyclopedia:

Star Trek IV = 2286
Star Trek V = 2287
Star Trek VI = 2293, not 2291

Not five years, but seven.

Also, the Constitution-class bridges were always meant to be separate removeable modules that could be "plugged" into the saucer. Numerous interviews with Andrew Probert (who designed the TMP refit Enterprise) have made it clear that the bridges can quickly and easily be swapped, even if a refit isn't going on.

This is NON-CANON, merely SPECULATIVE:

Suppose Kirk begins a shakedown cruise right after Trek IV that lasts about 12 months. Afterwords, a minor overhaul lasting only a couple of months takes place, explaining the change in the bridge and subtle details to the ship overall; this is where Trek V takes place in 2287. Now, if you remember, the Enterprise in Trek V is practically a 'disaster' so in 2288, another overhaul takes place, replacing the bridge module and fixing the malfunctioning components. This can be said to be a bit longer length of time probably just a little under a year. Just after the second overhaul in 2288 is where the new five-year mission begins, ending somewhere in 2293, A.K.A Star Tek VI.

IN REALITY:

According to several sources, the bridge in Trek IV was meant to remain the same for Trek V, but some sort of accident (weather damage, if memory serves) ended up destroying the original TMP bridge set, thus prompting the construction of a new bridge. With Trek V being headed by a new Production Designer (Herman Zimmerman of TNG fame) the bridge naturally looked a good deal different. By the time of Trek VI, Director Nicholas Meyer insisted on a more militaristic-style of bridge, complete with artificial wear-and-tear to give the ship a more used look. Thus the explanation of the three different bridges. WHEW!
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:23 AM
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Okay, THIS is canon.
According to Star Trek.com and the most recent Encyclopedia:

Star Trek IV = 2286
Star Trek V = 2287
Star Trek VI = 2293, not 2291

Not five years, but seven.

Also, the Constitution-class bridges were always meant to be separate removeable modules that could be "plugged" into the saucer. Numerous interviews with Andrew Probert (who designed the TMP refit Enterprise) have made it clear that the bridges can quickly and easily be swapped, even if a refit isn't going on.

This is NON-CANON, merely SPECULATIVE:

Suppose Kirk begins a shakedown cruise right after Trek IV that lasts about 12 months. Afterwords, a minor overhaul lasting only a couple of months takes place, explaining the change in the bridge and subtle details to the ship overall; this is where Trek V takes place in 2287. Now, if you remember, the Enterprise in Trek V is practically a 'disaster' so in 2288, another overhaul takes place, replacing the bridge module and fixing the malfunctioning components. This can be said to be a bit longer length of time probably just a little under a year. Just after the second overhaul in 2288 is where the new five-year mission begins, ending somewhere in 2293, A.K.A Star Tek VI.

IN REALITY:

According to several sources, the bridge in Trek IV was meant to remain the same for Trek V, but some sort of accident (weather damage, if memory serves) ended up destroying the original TMP bridge set, thus prompting the construction of a new bridge. With Trek V being headed by a new Production Designer (Herman Zimmerman of TNG fame) the bridge naturally looked a good deal different. By the time of Trek VI, Director Nicholas Meyer insisted on a more militaristic-style of bridge, complete with artificial wear-and-tear to give the ship a more used look. Thus the explanation of the three different bridges. WHEW!

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Nicely summed up, alot of good facts there!

Hmm your speculation sounds good .

But what we saw in Trek 5 looked more (and was talked more) like a "New Ship" shakedown than a minor overhaul. Kirk even comments that he gave Scotty a ceratin ammount of time (also mentioned at the end of Trek 4) and he hadn't completed it.

I find it odd they's make a new Constitution ship, when within 6 years they are retiring it. I know there's been specualtion that the ship was originally the Yorktown, but I have never seen any canon refrence to back it up.

Even with that your timeline still fits. If it was very late 2286 when they got it, a few weeks later it's 2287.
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Old 03-27-2008, 06:42 AM
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Okay, THIS is canon.
According to Star Trek.com and the most recent Encyclopedia:

Star Trek IV = 2286
Star Trek V = 2287
Star Trek VI = 2293, not 2291

Not five years, but seven.
I know Star Trek VI was in 2293, however that was the year that Kirk and crew came back to it before retirement.
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IN REALITY:

According to several sources, the bridge in Trek IV was meant to remain the same for Trek V, but some sort of accident (weather damage, if memory serves) ended up destroying the original TMP bridge set, thus prompting the construction of a new bridge. With Trek V being headed by a new Production Designer (Herman Zimmerman of TNG fame) the bridge naturally looked a good deal different. By the time of Trek VI, Director Nicholas Meyer insisted on a more militaristic-style of bridge, complete with artificial wear-and-tear to give the ship a more used look. Thus the explanation of the three different bridges. WHEW!
I Don't think this was the case, because in The Art of Star Trek, it said that Shatner wanted a new bridge based off of the TNG Bridge, because he liked how the ship was set up. Personally I hated "Shatner's" Bridge because it looked rustic and old, I liked the old bridge better except for the junky foam chairs. I liked the "Shatner" Bridge when Meyer fixed it, like when he added the grating, the more dramatic lighting, and the better looking Okudagram panels, it added a more distinction between the Okudagrams from Kirk's Time Period and Picard's Time.
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The computer systems aren't all that different.
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The computer systems aren't all that different.
There brighter and they look more pronounced with the darker lighting, that is why I said that.
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Point taken. And on another note about the bridge as it appeared in Star Trek VI.
What is up with all the plugs and wires near the helm, in addition to the on right under the center seat. Do you think these were intentional by Meyer to give it a more organic, living machine-like style?




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Maybe they were production wires, for the Chair Okudagrams to light up, remember studio shooting is hectic and people cut corners.
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It's possible.
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It's possible.
Believe it or not, I've never noticed the metal things before.
But that's the only explanation I can think of.
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