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Old 08-24-2011, 07:19 AM
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I didn't really see any "oversaturation" of usage of the holodecks either, in Star Trek TNG. They made for some interesting adventures, especially if the crew wanted to revisit historical based (or old fictional) scenarios, as Data was wont to do.

And the "high seas Enterprise" set for Worf's promotion was a nice touch (one of the few) in Generations.
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Old 08-24-2011, 07:33 AM
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That Trek can only work if it uses the classical characters is not an explanation, it is the preference of TOS-only-fans. Trek had issues in the last years, but they were caused by risk aversion on the side of the studio and a lack of new ideas from B&B.


I think in TAS there was a holodeck and Shore Leave features a mindreader-plus-holodeck technology so Straczynski's (why didn't you Americans force the Poles to get a decent American name like Jones or Smith when they entered your country? ) argument ironically makes no sense. This kind of sh*t happens when you try too hard to be anti-TNG to prove your TOS-purist quality.

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I believe that he was prepared to take ST past an original rebooted 5 year mission. He says that once the 5 year mission was over, there would be a change in the presentation, continuing under a different intent or a different series. I believe that he was taking ST to its original base intent and from there let it grow structured by but without the weight of 100% canon. A five year mission was going to be a time of new things, new species, new persons. I don't think that he was anti-TNG, just against using something that would distract from his vision of the five year mission......."out there" Once back, explore the Federation "World of Tomorrow" perhaps. I'm sure that there would be glimpses of things that would leave us wondering, for later, but I don't think he was going to let the technology become THE story.
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Old 08-24-2011, 07:49 AM
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True, and I thought that the episodes with Moriati were among others that worked very well.

But this is ST, you're (supposed to be) going boldly, seeking new worlds....... I want to see "What's out there......." as Kirk would say, looking toward the viewscreen.

In...THGTTG 2005 movie, Trillian tells/reminds Arthur Dent that they're "on a spaceship!" She wanted to go places and see new things (what's out there), "In a spaceship!"
Outside: gas giants and comets; inside: funky holodecks that can lead to male pregnancy.

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Certainly, I don't agree with Stracynski that there is 'something seriously amiss' if the crew have to use holodecks.

Humans need activity and recreation - the holodeck was a futuristic example of that, just as the TOS ship had on it rec rooms and games rooms etc. There was nothing wrong with keeping something like that in the ships arsenal of kit.

That said, often Holodeck episodes were essentially 'Holodeck goes wrong somehow and.............' which was repetitive as well.

There have been episodes of Star Trek that pointed out the fact that in space there are also times when there's nothing happening outside the ship. No adventure, no discovery, nothing but emptiness between scattered places of interest.

You gotta have something to occupy you when that happens!
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Old 08-24-2011, 08:23 AM
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Indeed. You can also view it from a real-world perspective, letting your characters go through the same moves over and over again becomes repetitous. Hence shore leave, holodeck time, etc. Something like "Troubles with Tribbles" is partly so memorable because it is not the same old routine of beaming down to a planet and so on.
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Certainly, I don't agree with Stracynski that there is 'something seriously amiss' if the crew have to use holodecks.

Humans need activity and recreation - the holodeck was a futuristic example of that, just as the TOS ship had on it rec rooms and games rooms etc. There was nothing wrong with keeping something like that in the ships arsenal of kit.

That said, often Holodeck episodes were essentially 'Holodeck goes wrong somehow and.............' which was repetitive as well.

There have been episodes of Star Trek that pointed out the fact that in space there are also times when there's nothing happening outside the ship. No adventure, no discovery, nothing but emptiness between scattered places of interest.

You gotta have something to occupy you when that happens!
Ok, I digress...lol I am personally the kind that can understand boredom and will give on the availability of those type of trappings being there.
I agree with Kevin that it can get repetitive if they are over-used as a story device. I just don't want the technology to overtake the depth of the human stories available. Fine line/slippery slope balance between "bang-pow" technology and a good story. Yes I want to see the technology, but also wish for a good balance in story. I could say the same about Phasers and Warp Drives also...

I'm thinking along the line of Indiana Jones reaching for his gun and "it's gone".......now I have to rely on my wit and skill to get out of this mess sort of thing.
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Indeed....the whole "technology taken for-granted" scenario can make many solutions too easy. And technology, like whiz-bang visual effects, can all too easily subsume the story for which it should only be icing on the cake. (Then again, I am an advocate and fetishist for starship porn. )

Even in Role-Playing Games based on Star Trek (whether under FASA, Last Unicorn, or Decipher) encourage sometimes taking the technology away from the player characters (or rendering it useless), forcing the players to act without their high-tech backup.
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I wouldn't mind some more technological limitations finding their way into the mix................but who am I kidding!

Not likely!
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I wouldn't mind some more technological limitations finding their way into the mix................but who am I kidding!

Not likely!
I guess that what you said is what I was trying to make my point with. I don't mind the technology.....it helps put us, THERE, into the future; I want to see it. I want to see it used. I don't want it to routinely become a crutch to advance the stories. Let the characters do that...
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He also was involved in penning Thor..............I might have to reserve that praise just a bit longer myself.
If I recall he gets a 1/3rd 'story' credit on THOR, but no screenwriting credit. I liked the movie's middle act, but found myself mostly indifferent to the first and third acts (or those parts of the film set on Asgard or wherever). Most of my exposure to Straczynski comes from B5, but I wouldn't hold up THOR as a sample of his writing.

The only movie I've seen (that I know of) for which he got screenplay credit was Changeling starring Angelina Jolie. Seems to me it was fairly solid, although he does tend to "overwrite" (by his own admission, with B5 being a classic example of this).

I would say that if Paramount decides to continue the current wave of ST feature films beyond JJ's (or Bad Robot's) involvement, bringing on someone like JMS to write the story/script would definitely be preferable to keeping Orci/Kurtzman around to work under a different directing/production team.

(Although I'm still hoping JJ pulls a Christopher Nolan and sets his Trek to self-destruct when he leaves, so that next time Paramount has no choice but to bring on somebody who wants to do something different)
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